2nd photo

Yes, he claimed on 12/21 that they were 10 ft apart. Then on 12/24 he claimed the cars were 3-4 ft apart.

Tanks for the pics , Craigfitzer … still spooky BTW
Was that large tree there in Dec. of 68?
it looks like the card that had the tree with eye balls ,maybe he had spied on couples before hiding behind it.

Great pics, thanks for posting em

Even 10′ is too close for comfort. I’m sure you felt it when you were there…now imagine at night, pitch black.

Been there, too many times. Each time I’m there I park for a quick getaway.

Craigfitzer,
Here’s some more photo’s of LHR and some other locations. They are in the Hang Out Thread under viewtopic.php?f=100&t=196

This is the second time I’ve been to the MH site. The first time was years ago before I knew anything about the case. My wife was born and raised in Vallejo and her mother worked at the news paper when the letters were coming in so I’ve heard much about the case. But no real specifics. Going to this site this time I was a bit more armed with information. A few thoughts after my visit. And I’d love your feedback.

First, in my opinion I see no way the second car (possible zodiac) was only four feet away. For a few reasons but one being where the David was laying. There would not have been enough room for him to fall the way the chalk outline indicated if parked that close. And very little room to Manuever. Ten feet makes much more sense.

Secondly, if the Zodiac was really parked by the DF/BLJ car, it would have been a task to pull his car out of there without running over BLJ and to me it doesn’t make sense that he would have backed in. I was shocked on how small this area is. Where her body was and being at night and having to most likely back out I’m not sure how he did it! It certainly wasn’t easy. Pictures really don’t show how small that area is.

Thirdly, this is my opinion but there is no way that someone could pass that area, at night or not and not see people in that car or even around it. It is so close to the road that it would be extremely difficult to NOT see someone, whether in or out if the vehicle.

So here’s a feeling I got when I was there, just a hunch. I’m not sure that the zodiac pulled in there at all. I think he may have been on foot. I checked out where the Racoon hunters where and it’s about a 1 minute walk. Not saying it’s them but maybe he parked close and walked over. Just a thought. Of course if what I am saying is true then that opens up another can if worms.

Craigfitzer,
Here’s some more photo’s of LHR and some other locations. They are in the Hang Out Thread under viewtopic.php?f=100&t=196

Thank you for sharing.

First, in my opinion I see no way the second car (possible zodiac) was only four feet away. For a few reasons but one being where the David was laying. There would not have been enough room for him to fall the way the chalk outline indicated if parked that close. And very little room to Manuever. Ten feet makes much more sense.

Secondly, if the Zodiac was really parked by the DF/BLJ car, it would have been a task to pull his car out of there without running over BLJ and to me it doesn’t make sense that he would have backed in. I was shocked on how small this area is. Where her body was and being at night and having to most likely back out I’m not sure how he did it! It certainly wasn’t easy. Pictures really don’t show how small that area is.

Thirdly, this is my opinion but there is no way that someone could pass that area, at night or not and not see people in that car or even around it. It is so close to the road that it would be extremely difficult to NOT see someone, whether in or out if the vehicle.

So here’s a feeling I got when I was there, just a hunch. I’m not sure that the zodiac pulled in there at all. I think he may have been on foot. I checked out where the Racoon hunters where and it’s about a 1 minute walk. Not saying it’s them but maybe he parked close and walked over. Just a thought. Of course if what I am saying is true then that opens up another can if worms.

I have expressed these same sentiments in the past. I do agree.

I can’t count how many times I have been there ( Mostly daytime) , in fact I was just there on Dec 21st. It is just too creepy late at night . Yes the area is a small area, but there is plenty of room for another car to have parked 10 to 20 feet from Davids car. It has been my gut feeling ,that Betty Lou seeing David get shot as they stood next to the car , tried to run for cover . I feel she ran to the other side of the shooters car for some protection then towards the street. Her body If I remember correctly, was about 20 some feet from Davids Car .

Late at night driving from Vallejo towards Benicia , people sitting in a car where David was parked, could see headlights coming over the hill. And in a split second or two , the on coming cars lights hit that exact spot . Cars coming from the other direction , you could hear before seeing them. It wouldn’t take much to miss seeing a car parked in that spot if you were talking to someone or reaching for a cigarette lighter, glancing away for whatever reason. You past it in the blink of an eye, so yes you could miss seeing people parked at that spot.That has to be true, because Benicia PD drove past and did not remember seeing a car there. According to the time ,David’s car had to be there.
I am still thinking that Zodiac could have worked at either Humble oil or at Syar. It happened around the time of a shift change. My guess is that Zodiac had just gotten off work and knew that there would not be much traffic,that he could do his thing with less chance of anyone driving by at that time. As it turned out very few saw anything.
For fresh foot prints to be found behind the pump house, it could be that the Zodiac was watching them for a while, like he did later at Lake Berryessa. If that was the case , then did he park close by or next to them and then walk to the pump house? I doubt he was there before they got there and waited for a couple to park .

He could have parked there but backing out would have been extremely difficult considering where the body was. This is something we looked at while there. And I’m just not buying that someone wouldn’t have noticed a car there. Possibly he noticed them, parked a bit down the road and walked back. He had time to do that and would do it at Berryessa.

This is the second time I’ve been to the MH site. The first time was years ago before I knew anything about the case. My wife was born and raised in Vallejo and her mother worked at the news paper when the letters were coming in so I’ve heard much about the case. But no real specifics. Going to this site this time I was a bit more armed with information. A few thoughts after my visit. And I’d love your feedback.

First, in my opinion I see no way the second car (possible zodiac) was only four feet away. For a few reasons but one being where the David was laying. There would not have been enough room for him to fall the way the chalk outline indicated if parked that close. And very little room to Manuever. Ten feet makes much more sense.

Secondly, if the Zodiac was really parked by the DF/BLJ car, it would have been a task to pull his car out of there without running over BLJ and to me it doesn’t make sense that he would have backed in. I was shocked on how small this area is. Where her body was and being at night and having to most likely back out I’m not sure how he did it! It certainly wasn’t easy. Pictures really don’t show how small that area is.

Thirdly, this is my opinion but there is no way that someone could pass that area, at night or not and not see people in that car or even around it. It is so close to the road that it would be extremely difficult to NOT see someone, whether in or out if the vehicle.

So here’s a feeling I got when I was there, just a hunch. I’m not sure that the zodiac pulled in there at all. I think he may have been on foot. I checked out where the Racoon hunters where and it’s about a 1 minute walk. Not saying it’s them but maybe he parked close and walked over. Just a thought. Of course if what I am saying is true then that opens up another can if worms.

Its very highly unlikely Zodiac was on foot. Owen passed that scene at 11:14 & said he saw no people or bodies, just the car parked next to Faraday’s,and a 1/4 mile down the road,heard the shooting start. No time for that car to pull out & leave, and somebody to walk up on foot all within 30 seconds. That 2nd car(if it was really there)had to belong to z

Morf – If Owen is being truthful. Which I believe you question.