So… I’m gonna go ahead and say it… Clearly Zodiac traveled time and purchased a 1974 stamp, went back and mailed the card in 197o.

Plot Twist

Did anyone suspect we’re dealing with a time traveling Super Villain…?

Looking at the card for the umpteenth time, I wonder if the signature is "PT" Donna rather than "ST" and then "Guardian of the Pines" refers to a guardian she may have had at a facility named "The Pines" (of which there are several such as seen by Googling). One facility is near Yosemite.

Looking at the card for the umpteenth time, I wonder if the signature is "PT" Donna rather than "ST" and then "Guardian of the Pines" refers to a guardian she may have had at a facility named "The Pines" (of which there are several such as seen by Googling). One facility is near Yosemite.

No I’m fairly certain it’s St. Donna I’m about 90% sure I know where she is. Hopefully within this year I can travel to find her remains.

T27 said back in 2014,
"The date doesn’t appear to be 1974, but "1970". While the last digit is difficult to read,
I would say it is clearly not a "4" as it is shown in "940"."

The year is 1974. As you see it, it is easy to misinterpret the year, due to a combination of;
the postmark year stamping has only actually stamped the top quarter or third of the year and
the lower part of the postmark year stamping is missing (did not wet/transfer onto the stamp), and
what you are seeing below the visible top part of the year stamping is actually probably some of
a continuation of the ‘killer lines’ (look up that in postal terminology) + the addition of the
appearance of the wavy/scalloped edges along the bottom of the postage stamp.

Here’s an example of a partial year date (coincidently, 1974) that also didn’t fully wet/transfer;

QT said in 2017,
"If the card is authentic, I still wonder who had knowledge about Mrs. Pilkers’ address?"

I regard it as possible that Donna Lass was tired & no-one caused her writing to trail off in a
line during writing a sentence…except herself, when she started to get sleepy. So she left
work early (10 minutes early, right?), walking home without the encumberance of a dirty uniform
(intending to take that dirty uniform home after when she next drove her car to work) but
probably that morning taking her address book with her (presumably inside her handbag).
Think about it- Ok, her killer could reasonably work out who her employer was, in order to be
able to call them, but her landlords phone number? Probable explanation is her killer read that
from her address book, after he had disposed of her.
Offered her a lift home? I regard it as more probable he was waiting, in car, somewhere along her
walking-home route. If she had a handbag slung diagonally across her body rather than only on her
shoulder, or if she had her address book in the pocket of the overcoat she was probably wearing
(snowy conditions), then when the killer grabbed her he also ended up with her address book.

Capricorn said in 2017,
"I wonder if the signature is "PT" Donna rather than "ST" and then "Guardian of the Pines" refers
to a guardian she may have had at a facility named "The Pines""…"One facility is near Yosemite."

It is more likely it is a written capital ‘S’, because we already have an example of a written capital ‘P’,
and that capital ‘P’ does not look like an ‘S’, i.e.;
"St . Donna & Guardian of the Pines" (or, perhaps, "Guardian of The Pines").

Incidently, …Yosemite?? (I suppose I can’t be too harsh, I have considered ‘Pines’ type names as far
away as Truckee and Reno.) If you want to find a ‘The Pines‘ to peek through, take a GoogleMaps
wander up the Heavenly Gondola Run past Round-A-Bout in Heavenly Valley, & have a look about
‘East Peak’ just across the State border in Nevada…
EDITED.

Hi buyerninety–

Not easy to get to in September of 1970 though.

@38.944108,-119.9030442,16z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x809990e8fdd2783d:0x6495ae7a9be4fe8f!8m2!3d38.9424076!4d-119.9079579!5m1!1e4″> https://www.google.com/maps/place/East+ … 79!5m1!1e4

T27, Thanks for your forbearing comment, particularly as upon continuing to
look further into this, I found it is probable that in 1970, to get to the ski run
known as ‘The Pines’, a time machine might be needed! – in 1969, the ski run is
not evident on the East Peak slopes, and may not have been in existence in 1970;
https://historicaerials.com/location/38 … 75/1969/15

I’ve found a month can be a long time in Z Research.
I no longer hold the view that the ‘Sierra Club’ letter is in relation to Donna
Lass, but rather relates to some unknown victim of Zodiac that was placed/
bunkered up in Incline Village. (I’m aware that you believe that card to be a
hoax.)

This does not preclude a view that Zodiac was responsible for the disappearance
of Donna Lass – the 1974 Donna Lass Christmas Card, if sent by her killer, I
think offers a broad hint by her killer as to where she may be found. "St. Donna"
meaning ‘Saint Donna’ – to paraphrase Richard Grinell, wouldn’t you expect to
find a Saint in heaven? To me, that suggests somewhere in Heavenly Valley.
I’m uncertain as to how Heavenly Valley is bounded, it seems to be generally
regarded as including the area from west south west of East Peak down along
Pioneer Trail(road) over Heavenly Valley Creek and possibly including the area
north of Cold Creek. (All locations in this paragraph are in/near South Lake Tahoe).

Sometime, I might post some thoughts about the ‘many places that Donna could be’
in the thread you started about that, but it wouldn’t be useful unless somebody
had a cadaver dog and a full week to work it.
Cheers

P.S. in the topographic maps on historicaerials.com there is a notation I kept
seeing about ‘Sierra House Site’, this was apparently a house existing back in
the 1860’s, according to this webpage;
https://www.flickr.com/photos/58058190@ … otostream/

Heavenly Valley makes sense. I have been to Clair Tappin Lodge Soda Springs, a few times and believe her body could be there. Dave Petterson and Harvey Hines did a lot of digging in that area , they found some glasses that were thought to be Donna’s glasses.

I received your PM thank you for the links.

…I regard it as possible that Donna Lass was tired & no-one caused her writing to trail off in a
line during writing a sentence…except herself, when she started to get sleepy. So she left
work early (10 minutes early, right?), walking home without the encumberance of a dirty uniform
(intending to take that dirty uniform home after when she next drove her car to work) but
probably that morning taking her address book with her (presumably inside her handbag).
Think about it- Ok, her killer could reasonably work out who her employer was, in order to be
able to call them, but her landlords phone number? Probable explanation is her killer read that
from her address book, after he had disposed of her.
Offered her a lift home? I regard it as more probable he was waiting, in car, somewhere along her
walking-home route. If she had a handbag slung diagonally across her body rather than only on her
shoulder, or if she had her address book in the pocket of the overcoat she was probably wearing
(snowy conditions), then when the killer grabbed her he also ended up with her address book.

After reading into the idea of "mysterious phone calls"…I came to a different conclusion: viewtopic.php?f=35&t=1527

There doesn’t appear to be any mysterious calls. Her work called her landlord and comments were misconstrued. imo.

I found some strange zynchronicity with the Donna Lass card that I posted in that area of the forum, but thought i’d chime in here as it might tie in with some other readers’ thoughts somehow.
I found a strange number of coincidences between Zodiac correspondences and the writings of Dr Seuss. I do not think he is Zodiac, but I do think he could have written some of the unproven letters such as the Lass cards. There are numerous auctioned letters of his that he wrote in blue felt pen (odd choice for an adult writing private correspondence) with a distinctive, childish style that has some Zodiac similarities.
Then there is the Christmas card he sent to a relative in 1971 that displayed an out-of-character cursive that is reminiscent of the writing in the Lass Christmas Card. 1971 was also the year his story ‘The Lorax’ was published – the Lorax being the Guardian of the Forest.
There’s more info in my thread here:
http://www.zodiackillersite.com/viewtopic.php?f=97&t=3569&hilit=dr+seuss

Probably just Zynch, but he’s a good candidate for the fake if that’s what it is.

I found some strange zynchronicity with the Donna Lass card that I posted in that area of the forum, but thought i’d chime in here as it might tie in with some other readers’ thoughts somehow.
I found a strange number of coincidences between Zodiac correspondences and the writings of Dr Seuss. I do not think he is Zodiac, but I do think he could have written some of the unproven letters such as the Lass cards. There are numerous auctioned letters of his that he wrote in blue felt pen (odd choice for an adult writing private correspondence) with a distinctive, childish style that has some Zodiac similarities.
Then there is the Christmas card he sent to a relative in 1971 that displayed an out-of-character cursive that is reminiscent of the writing in the Lass Christmas Card. 1971 was also the year his story ‘The Lorax’ was published – the Lorax being the Guardian of the Forest.
There’s more info in my thread here:
http://www.zodiackillersite.com/viewtopic.php?f=97&t=3569&hilit=dr+seuss

Probably just Zynch, but he’s a good candidate for the fake if that’s what it is.

Dr Seuss unmasked as the Zodiac Killer, imagine that! Why would he bother with hoaxes anyway?

Why would he bother with hoaxes anyway?

I have no idea but it is widely accepted that some of the Zodiac correspondence is fake, so there’s definitely people out there who have some warped reason to go ahead with it. I have merely pointed out that, to anyone who thinks it is a fake, Seuss is a pretty good suspect given the similarities I show in my other thread which people can check out if they’re interested.
Ultimately, however, I believe it is just zync and that the actual killer, not a forger, did send the card. The card is very understated and almost creepy in its simplicity; I imagine a fake would be more bombastic like the Halloween card or the Sierra Club collage in appearance.

Why would he bother with hoaxes anyway?

I have no idea but it is widely accepted that some of the Zodiac correspondence is fake, so there’s definitely people out there who have some warped reason to go ahead with it. I have merely pointed out that, to anyone who thinks it is a fake, Seuss is a pretty good suspect given the similarities I show in my other thread which people can check out if they’re interested.
Ultimately, however, I believe it is just zync and that the actual killer, not a forger, did send the card. The card is very understated and almost creepy in its simplicity; I imagine a fake would be more bombastic like the Halloween card or the Sierra Club collage in appearance.

Some of the correspondence is fake. People just seem to disagree with which ones they are, but there are fakes out there…by many. LE noted they received hundreds of fakes.

As far as the Lass Christmas card, I don’t think it’s fake, nor Zodiac. I think it’s just someone sending something Mary’s way. People do whacky things and this person probably meant no harm. If Zodiac were to send this (imo) he’d have no problem offering his usual crap, in his usual handwriting.

Admin, Subject: Donna Lass Christmas Card Fri Mar 05, 2010 3:50 pm

http://www.thezodiacmansonconnection.co … _card.html

It is also worth comparing this card to the Sierra Club Logo.

It is also worth comparing this card to the Sierra Club Logo.

In making the comparison, though, does it matter that the SC logo tree is a giant sequoia (Sequoiadendron giganteum) and not a pine, and that the scene in the background depicts the Sierra Nevada and not just some snowy hillside? I suppose what I’m suggesting is, could the similarity be just that the two pictures depict "a tree?"

Just thinking out loud.

It is also worth comparing this card to the Sierra Club Logo.

In making the comparison, though, does it matter that the SC logo tree is a giant sequoia (Sequoiadendron giganteum) and not a pine, and that the scene in the background depicts the Sierra Nevada and not just some snowy hillside? I suppose what I’m suggesting is, could the similarity be just that the two pictures depict "a tree?"

Just thinking out loud.

Yes that is correct.

I just thought it was worth noting. Given the nature of the “Peek through the pines” card which references the Sierra Club, the fact that the Sierra Club met two weeks after Lass disappears in Norden, Donna Pass next to Lake Tahoe, and the similar framing of a single tree, the same font being used by the Sierra Club and on the pines card and their very vocal objection to Incline village at the time.