Hey Seagull, thanks.. there is a lot of info to work through; still, I should have double checked that. At least you didn’t laugh me out of the forum.

Maybe my theory is a bit out there. But the more I read about this case the more evident it becomes to me that more than one person is involved. I understand why most people on here don’t like that idea. Hell, I don’t like it either. But the discrepancies in his appearance and MO are just too extreme. Hartnell saw a tall, beefy 230 pounder. The description of the creep hanging around LB that day had dark hair and a round face. When you compare that to the man who shot Stine, who was short, 160 lbs, and did not have a round face at all, the differences can’t just be passed off as people being bad eyewitnesses. That said, I’ve heard cops say that it’s not uncommon for witnesses to even get a thing like race wrong.

It’s frustrating to say the least, because you have guess at how much zodiac was disguising himself. The shuffling gate, the limp, the reddish/brown hair, the barrel chest, all could be fake. There’s just so much guesswork involved, and quite frankly not one POI or suspect that has been bandied arond since 1968 fits very well, especially when they’re really scrutinized. There’s always something that doesn’t match up.

So yeah, maybe my theory is out there, but I think it stands up better than some I’ve read. Graysmith, Penn and Voight, amongst others are out there making money, being called experts, and look at their POIs.

Bottom line, Manalli doesn’t fit the physical description. But look at his handwriting, his word choices, his odd connection to
SRHM.. there’s something going on there

Nah, it’s not that far out. There are only so many ways you can reconcile varying descriptions. There are those who have doubts that Z was even responsible for all the canonical murders, merely taking credit when he could. Some have speculated that Z was nothing more than a letter writer and that the whole thing was a hoax. Personally, I believe it’s possible, albeit unlikely, that more than one person was involved. I do like ke the idea though that Manalli could have at least been the letter writer, given the many odd coincidences that have been discussed. His possible connection to the SRHM also helps to make him a pretty good POI.

Like I said, I’m just throwing this out there. But if someone could confirm a dorfman (wizard)/ manalli (partner) / kane (zodiac) connection, it would make my day.

Ok…deja vu moment. This has been brought up before here. I remember people discussing the possibility of Manalli knowing Kane. I will see if I can find the thread…and any other similarities.

Tahoe, didn’t RG imply some sort of relationship between Manalli and ALA? I do vaguely recall a conversation about Kane as well somewhere buried in these threads.

Wow, I thought my theory was at least original. Tahoe, if you could find that thread, I’d seriously be grateful, because I’ve scoured the internet to see if anyone else had tried to connect Kane and Manalli.

Uptosomething, I believe ALA was living in santa rosa at the time of the hitchhiking murders, and was a suspect. It’s possible he could be responsible, seeing as how the victims were literally children and he was a known pedophile. I never liked him as a zodiac suspect, but Mageau did identify him. Well, sort of… I have to find that thread.

Graysmith stated that Manalli & ALA may have known each other. I wrote to Graysmith recently asking for more details, he wrote me back, but did not give anymore details.

Manalli, in one of his letters acknowledges being questioned as a suspect in the murder case.

I personally wondered if Manalli somehow knew Paul Stine, they both attended college in SF,although at different times.

I also had Kevin Fagan at the SF Chronicle, attempt to trace the origin of the ad that ran the day after Fred died, and hoped it could lead to the name of the person who placed it, but he had no luck, and their records did not go back that far.

Manalli continues to be a favorite Suspect of mine, so good luck digging.

Hey, just remember, Zodiac & Manalli were both fond of the word, SHALL, they both used the word saterical/satirical, and when z was writing about slaves in PARADISE, Manalli’s story, PARADISE its a nice place was being published.

I find the glib tone and surface irony matches too. When you show the handwriting of the word "public" the hairs on the back of my neck stand up. Morf, you think it’s possible Manalli himself could have sent that ad and then commited suicide? That head on collision looks like a suicide to me.

ALA and Manalli both lived in Santa Rosa, so it’s possible they knew each other. I’ve always dismissed ALA as a suspect, but I’m wondering now if he could have been involved in some of the murders. The man who killed Stine was neither ALA or Manalli, I’m pretty sure about that.

Whoever shot Stine was must be the most ellusive man on the planet. Not even Kane, who Fouke and Johns said looked similar to the man they saw, looks like the composite to me. Maybe it was a brilliant disguise, or maybe we can chalk it up to people just being bad eyewitnesses.

Also, about Stine, I don’t think he was a random killing out of convenience. I mean yeah, it’s pretty easy to ambush a cab driver, but he was audacious enough to stick around in a well lit area to wipe car down, take a piece of his shirt and other momentos, which nearly got him caught. So I dont think it was about ease or convenience. Stine fits with other victims in that he was a student. Interestingly enough, working on a phd in english lit. This is Manalli’s area. Maybe there was jealousy that Stine was going to receive a doctorate.

Morf, you think it’s possible Manalli himself could have sent that ad and then commited suicide? That head on collision looks like a suicide to me.

That’s certainly a possibility. Some profilers suggested that Zodiac may commit suicide. However, Fred also had epilepsy,and there was an issue with the electrical system in his car apparently, so it is still possible it was an accident. But nothing changes the fact that ad ran the day after his death, the timing is amazing. If Manalli placed that AD, then I have no doubt he was zodiac, or part of a zodiac team. Then again, why not write a letter admitting it if you are going to kill yourself?

Yeah, true, Morf, equally possible that it could have been a seizure or something went wrong with the car. Still very coincidental.

You got me thinking about Stine and Manalli now. Yet another connection that they both studied English lit. at the same university. I think if I found out that they knew each other, I’d be almost certain that Manalli was involved somehow.

Wow, I thought my theory was at least original. Tahoe, if you could find that thread, I’d seriously be grateful, because I’ve scoured the internet to see if anyone else had tried to connect Kane and Manalli.

Uptosomething, I believe ALA was living in santa rosa at the time of the hitchhiking murders, and was a suspect. It’s possible he could be responsible, seeing as how the victims were literally children and he was a known pedophile. I never liked him as a zodiac suspect, but Mageau did identify him. Well, sort of… I have to find that thread.

I believe there is some talk in the Kane thread you posted in just a little bit ago. It would seem Ophion1031 shares your views and has posted about it a couple of times here and at zodiackiller.com: http://zodiackiller.fr.yuku.com/topic/8 … zSZZKhdWSo

It appears that is not the only thing you two share views about. You might ask Ophion some of his thoughts on the subject.

Thanks Tahoe. I just messaged him. Not sure what you meant when you said we shared the same views on other stuff, but Im about to go through his posts. All I know is that eyewitnesses that saw Zodiac best point to kane, and the letters reek of Manalli. And if I found that they were somehow connected, I’d consider this case closed.

I was writing about not just your Kane/Manalli thoughts, but the over all feel for the ad itself…by both of you.

If you read Ophion’s post in the link I gave, you both mention the ad and have the same ideas as it being "far-fetched" and "out there" and it would appear you both have disdain for a certain website host.

Thanks Tahoe for the clarification. From the number of messages I got in response to my little rant on that certain website host —- a rant that got deleted about 5 mins after I posted it —- it appears there are a lot more than Ophion and I who share that destain.

As for my theory, it is just that. I’m not holding steadfast to it. Still pretty confident more than one person involved. At the same time, there’s a lot that works against that theory. The main one being tht the more people involved, the greater the chance someone is going to slip up and share their secret. On top of that, if the murders were driven by narcissism, than it’s hard to imagine people with narcissistic personalities working together. And if the delusion of collecting slaves is the motive, it’s hard to believe that more than one person can share a delusion. So basically the only reason for plurality would be, to me anyway, would be to cover something up. I.e., an elaborate hoax to hide the true intentions of those involved.