I’ve always been of the opinion that the man in the hood, the man behind the trigger and the man who wrote the letters were all one and the same. The composites are similar enough that they can be depictions of the same person, too.

That being said, what I cannot rule out is that this single killer had one or two associates who got their jollies off this, and aided/abetted him.

Do we have a RIverside link for Manalli, guys?

Not that we have been able to find, Nacht. It is not out of the question that Manalli could have been in Riverside at some point but nothing has surfaced. I believe that Graysmith says he applied for a job down there but that fact or even that he visited Riverside is not mentioned in any of the letters that we have.

Thanks, Seagull. Wonder where Graysmith came up with that; I’m hoping for the sake of our investigation that he didn’t just make that up out of whole cloth, because any truth to the claim would be very helpful.

Thanks, Seagull. Wonder where Graysmith came up with that; I’m hoping for the sake of our investigation that he didn’t just make that up out of whole cloth, because any truth to the claim would be very helpful.

A woman alerted Graysmith as I recall. She worked for the county, or morgue or something,it’s in the Graysmith book,I forget offhand. She gave the info to Graysmith

The thing I ask myself when thinking about the personal ad is, could it just be a coincidence? I want to say that it’s not, but how can I say it’s not when there are so many (thousands, probably) coincidences that one would come across when reading/researching Zodiac POIs. The thing some people ask is if it can be proven that Kane and Manalli knew each other. It can’t be proven that they DIDN’T know each other. Manalli’s handwriting and words he uses are the thing that originally got me interested, and then I found out later about the personal ad.

Hmmm this may be a sign… I’m at work and I get a call from a nurse for a patient who passed away who has an interesting name. First name Frederick. Middle name Kain (spelled a little different). I’m not gonna put the last name out of respect for the person, and I could get in trouble. Just thought it was weird considering the topic being discussed in this thread.

I agree, the personal ad is so intriguing, and sure, it could be a coincidence, but then when you look at all the links between Manalli & Zodiac in their writings, materials, sublject matter,interests, etc. , it just makes you scratch your head.

If any of the other zodiac suspects died the day before this ad ran, we might be mentioning it to regarding them, but that didnt happen, it happened the day after Fred Manalli died, thus it’s linked to him

I agree, the personal ad is so intriguing, and sure, it could be a coincidence, but then when you look at all the links between Manalli & Zodiac in their writings, materials, sublject matter,interests, etc. , it just makes you scratch your head.

If any of the other zodiac suspects died the day before this ad ran, we might be mentioning it to regarding them, but that didnt happen, it happened the day after Fred Manalli died, thus it’s linked to him

I really wish we could trace it back to the person who placed the ad. I wonder if the Chronicle keeps records of things like that, but then again, I highly doubt the person left their name and/or contact info.

I agree, the personal ad is so intriguing, and sure, it could be a coincidence, but then when you look at all the links between Manalli & Zodiac in their writings, materials, sublject matter,interests, etc. , it just makes you scratch your head.

If any of the other zodiac suspects died the day before this ad ran, we might be mentioning it to regarding them, but that didnt happen, it happened the day after Fred Manalli died, thus it’s linked to him

I really wish we could trace it back to the person who placed the ad. I wonder if the Chronicle keeps records of things like that, but then again, I highly doubt the person left their name and/or contact info.

The Chronicle does NOT have records back that far. I already had Kevin Fagan look into this.

I’m very doubtful it’s a coincidence. It is possible however that someone was trying to frame a dead man in order to throw off the scent. Though that too, seems doubtful.

As for Nachtsider’s comment about the composites being similar enough, I have to respectfully disagree. The composite based on the man at LB to me looks nothing like the composite based on Fouke and the kids description. There is however something interestingly similar. The shuffle/limp is a trait that appears in both descriptions. I don’t think that it was faked either. The kids who witnessed Stine’s murder noticed the shuffle. There’s no reason he’d fake it if he didn’t think anyone was watching.

This brings me to another point. I find it very strange that a man with a personality as rare as Zodiac’s, with a distinguishing feature like a limp, and a composite of his face pasted all over the bay area, and on national news, could elude everyone.

I’m very doubtful it’s a coincidence. It is possible however that someone was trying to frame a dead man in order to throw off the scent. Though that too, seems doubtful.

As for Nachtsider’s comment about the composites being similar enough, I have to respectfully disagree. The composite based on the man at LB to me looks nothing like the composite based on Fouke and the kids description. There is however something interestingly similar. The shuffle/limp is a trait that appears in both descriptions. I don’t think that it was faked either. The kids who witnessed Stine’s murder noticed the shuffle. There’s no reason he’d fake it if he didn’t think anyone was watching.

This brings me to another point. I find it very strange that a man with a personality as rare as Zodiac’s, with a distinguishing feature like a limp, and a composite of his face pasted all over the bay area, and on national news, could elude everyone.

Give the LB composite a crew cut and glasses, then give the Presidio Heights one a thick, rounded jaw. I maintain that the jaw on the Presidio Heights composite is WRONG.

The reason why Zodaic eluded everyone despite having his appearance pasted all over the Bay Area is that his description as reported by all the witnesses was too generic to be of any use.

You’re right about one thing, the Presidio Height’s composite is so generic it’s peculiar in the sense that he was seen so well by at least 4 people that night, one of whom being a cop. It’s so generic in fact he looks similar to almost everyone’s POI. That composite, ironically, turned out to be more detrimental than helpful. I’m not so bothered by that as much as the discrepancies in height and weight. The murderer of Stine was described as 5"8′ and around 160lbs. The man at LB was said to be over 200 pounds and over 6 feet tall.

Ok, now I am intrigued: earlier in this thread it is mentioned that Fed Manalli was questioned about being a suspect in the murders (I’m guessing SRHM). I believe he mentioned it in a letter. So…how close was the date of this letter where he mentioned the police attention to his death? If he was feeling the heat and thinking they may lose in, well then maybe his death could be a suicide.

I meant to say if they were closing (not lose) in on Fred (not Fed) he might commit suicide. And I even looked at preview. Sorry about the errors.