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(@mike_r)
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Here is KQ’s handwriting. There is not a treasure trove of it available contrary to what some experts here claim. The writing I have is from a form he filled out relative to horse racing. It is in all caps, which was disappointing.

It is not as non-Z like as his Soc Sec application in the 1930=something. Experts can neither rule him in or out but have asked to see more. Some of it matches (look at the eleven o’clock o’s, for example) and some doesn’t. That’s the way it goes.

I want to add that I work with someone who believes that you do not solve murder cases with handwriting, so this is not the be-all end-all for me. You develop a profile and find someone who fits. The wealthy power-assertive profile is a tremendous filter that eliminates many of the "popular suspects." You can believe the profile or not but the person who created it solves cases and we here do not.

Mike

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Posted : June 20, 2015 1:43 am
bmichelle
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I think it a great sample of his writing. Thank you for posting it.
It would be nice to see his non printed writing too.

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Posted : June 20, 2015 3:26 am
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I personally don’t see a resemblence to the Z letters. I’m leaning towards Keith Gilbert since he sent a cipher (with Z symbols) to the leader of the minutemen Troy Houghton in 1968. It’s in his FBI file. Once other people start showing me individuals who wrote Z like ciphers BEFORE Z’s ciphers were published I will start taking their suspects more seriously. I think either Gilbert, Houghton, or Mower were involved in the Z crimes… Or maybe all. That’s where I’m leaning these days. Or someone in their Minutemen clique. I’ve put a lot of this info in the Lynn Luray thread if you are at all interested in other theories.

The curl on the C in the form throws me off. There is a fluidity even to his print writing that Z doesn’t seem to
Have.

Congrats on obtaining the form and thanks for sharing it.

 
Posted : June 20, 2015 4:46 am
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A couple things look alike, some things don’t.

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Posted : June 20, 2015 8:46 am
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I want to add that I work with someone who believes that you do not solve murder cases with handwriting, so this is not the be-all end-all for me. You develop a profile and find someone who fits.

I’m 100% with you on the first part. The second part, however, is highly debatable. At the very least we have to add…something. Whoever fits the profile must be connected, undeniably, to the evidence – to the known facts of the case.

Otherwise it could be a case of mistaken profiling – which is not an unheard of phenomenon.

Or a case of mistaken identity – because multiple people could fit the profile beyond those we know about.

Anyway – hand printing in capital letters: I admire those who actually bother to do these comparisons, but I honestly don’t think there’s much point to it. You’ll find similarities and discrepancies – as you would if I gave you a randomly selected sample to study.

 
Posted : June 20, 2015 7:07 pm
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There are cases where writing looks nothing like any of Z’s writing, and in other cases, looks quite similar. Usually, it’s someplace in between

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Posted : June 20, 2015 8:23 pm
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Handwriting is a tool in the tool box..it is circumstantial evidence but it can help narrow the suspect pool..handwriting might be a step above polygraph but in the end they will not lead to a conviction…I am not railing on anybody who has worked there butt off trying to tie "their guy" as the zodiac..many of you have done a hell of a job and deserve credit.,,i like X but I like others as well (On the whole)..bottom line for me I I want the handgun and of course stines other shirt half in the desk drawer of X would mean case closed..how the heck Z pulled all this off with no witnesses is nothing short of luck and that irks me…somebody knows-they always do

 
Posted : June 21, 2015 1:29 am
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One of the handwriting experts told me that filling out a form is not a natural way of writing, either. There are lines, for one thing, so there is no opportunity for there to be any slant to the writing. Also, there are obviously no lower case letters on these forms to look at.

When SFPD got interested again in KQ and approached him in March 2012, he declined to cooperate with their investigation. Had he done so, they could have gotten hand printing from him under controlled conditions. He would have had to write what they wanted him to write on blank paper with no lines in upper and lower case with both hands.

Mike

Mike Rodelli

Author, The Hunt for Zodiac; 3.9 stars on Amazon and
In The Shadow of Mt. Diablo: The Shocking True Identity of the Zodiac Killer, a second edition in print format. 4.3 Amazon stars and great Editorial reviews. Twitter:@mikerodelli

 
Posted : June 21, 2015 3:19 am
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I want to add that I work with someone who believes that you do not solve murder cases with handwriting, so this is not the be-all end-all for me. You develop a profile and find someone who fits.

I’m 100% with you on the first part. The second part, however, is highly debatable. At the very least we have to add…something. Whoever fits the profile must be connected, undeniably, to the evidence – to the known facts of the case.

Otherwise it could be a case of mistaken profiling – which is not an unheard of phenomenon.

Or a case of mistaken identity – because multiple people could fit the profile beyond those we know about.

Anyway – hand printing in capital letters: I admire those who actually bother to do these comparisons, but I honestly don’t think there’s much point to it. You’ll find similarities and discrepancies – as you would if I gave you a randomly selected sample to study.

What if multiple people fit the profile? The cold case investigator for the GSK case, Pool was his name if I am not mistaken, said that he has been in several investigations where all the circumstantial evidence pointed to one person only to have the hard evidence (fingerprints or DNA) exonerate the suspect. This is why I put little faith in a circumstantial case unless there is something to tie the suspect to crime scenes.

 
Posted : March 30, 2021 11:03 pm
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One of the handwriting experts told me that filling out a form is not a natural way of writing, either. There are lines, for one thing, so there is no opportunity for there to be any slant to the writing. Also, there are obviously no lower case letters on these forms to look at.

When SFPD got interested again in KQ and approached him in March 2012, he declined to cooperate with their investigation. Had he done so, they could have gotten hand printing from him under controlled conditions. He would have had to write what they wanted him to write on blank paper with no lines in upper and lower case with both hands.

Mike

The bigger problem is that handwriting analysis is not generally accepted science. It is more of an art. We don’t have actual proof that no two person’s handwriting is the same. In fact, we have forgers that demonstrate that handwriting can be mimicked pretty well. You are correct when you say that handwriting doesn’t solve cases. But it can rule out someone.

 
Posted : March 30, 2021 11:06 pm
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