KHQ was one of two people out of the 800 plus cases that they reviewed to say the flying saucers were from outer space. Ironically the other guy was an airplane pilot from an airport that was like 2 miles from where I was working in 1999, who said in 1947 that his plane was accosted in mid-air by flying saucers and made to do different maneuvers. He was widely considered not to be a credible person. So KHQ was the ONLY credible person out the 825 or whatever cases to say the flying saucers were from outer space at the time. Just two out of over eight hundred cases.

When I met with him in 2006 he tried to make it sound like he did the reporting as a "public service" and that he basically looked in the newspapers and didn’t see the reporting on that event and so he contacted the newspaper. But that would be possible if a week or ten days went by between his sighting in the newspaper article. However that was not the case. The sighting was on a Saturday and the first article appeared in the Alameda Times Star on Monday. So Qvale tripped over himself in order to get that sighting into the newspaper. He could not, no matter how hard he tried, change history because I knew the history of that event going in to our meeting.

As for the 50 people who saw the events, who knows if he’s telling the truth about that? He might have just said that in order to bolster his own credibility. And apparently none of those other 50 people came forward to say that they had seen a craft from outer space or anything else that I know of. I never saw any other reports of that event in any of the newspapers. So who knows if he didn’t make the whole thing up out of whole cloth.

Hope this provides better context.

Mike

This absolutely increases the importance of this event. In particularly the fact that he contacted the newspaper and that the short time period belies his supposed reason for doing so.

Hi,

When you have some proper perspective, things look a whole lot damning, not less so. The flying saucer incident shows KQ commandeering front page coverage for his story about "little green men" some twenty years before there was a Zodiac killer.

Mike

How silly some are to dismiss what he did not understand at that time (or maybe he did and was part of covering things up). The Department of defense had created many aircrafts and was testing them at the time – things that they wanted passed off as aliens so black projects weren’t discovered by other foreign forces. It was in their best interest to make defense systems appear extraterrestrial (or anything other than US military crafts) had they been sighted by civilians. My father went to Los Alamos in the 60’s/early70’s and they already had sight guided missile systems by that point. People wouldn’t believe the crap we already had up and running back then lol. if Mr. X had military involvement who knows if he wrote that in as part of a propaganda machine on behalf of the DOD/military. Or again maybe he didn’t fully understand what he had saw was bc it seemed so advanced to him.

There are UFO’s and then there are man made UFO’s. Given the year and the area where Qvale seen the object, I’d say it was most likely a real alien UFO.

Well said!

All I know is that in 1947 people were not cavalier about voicing the opinion that flying saucers had little green men in them, and I will not be lured into a discussion as to whether or not flying saucers are an alien phenomenon or not because nobody can win that one lol. The fact remains that in an era where people were very circumspect about voicing such opinions even if that is what they feared, KQ’s pronouncement, whether factually accurate or not, would have tended to terrify people who read his assessment because it would have confirmed their worst fears. And it sure did get him front page coverage.

BTW, at our 2006 meting, KQ did not defiantly tell me that what he saw he truly believed were alien spacecraft. Rather he tried to downplay and minimize what he had said in 1947 by implying that the timing of his contacting the newspaper was actually different from (and more casual than) what it actually was.

Mike

I agree with Mike that a discussion about an extraterrestrial explanation for the UFO phenomenon is pretty much a nonstarter here. The possibility raised by PhinkPhantom has been broached by many people as an explanation for UFO sightings. If, hypothetically, KQ was involved in some kind of covert operation to mislead the public, I don’t think this would necessarily make this less interesting from our point of view.

All I know is that in 1947 people were not cavalier about voicing the opinion that flying saucers had little green men in them, and I will not be lured into a discussion as to whether or not flying saucers are an alien phenomenon or not because nobody can win that one lol. The fact remains that in an era where people were very circumspect about voicing such opinions even if that is what they feared, KQ’s pronouncement, whether factually accurate or not, would have tended to terrify people who read his assessment because it would have confirmed their worst fears. And it sure did get him front page coverage.

BTW, at our 2006 meting, KQ did not defiantly tell me that what he saw he truly believed were alien spacecraft. Rather he tried to downplay and minimize what he had said in 1947 by implying that the timing of his contacting the newspaper was actually different from (and more casual than) what it actually was.

Mike

How many meetings did you have with Qvale? I remember reading about that a little bit, but is there a thread or maybe another website where I can read more about what was said between you and him?

Thanks.

Hi,

I had one meeting with him at his request in September 27, 2006. The date was no coincidence; he requested to meet me, not vice versa and manipulated the date from September 22nd to the 27th. September 27th was both his father’s birthday in 1887 and the date of the LB attack. He said it was "just a scheduling thing." Since I was not able to record the meeting for obvious reasons, I have relied on my and my friend Jim’s notes on what was said. We compared notes immediately after the meeting in a diner across from KQ’s dealership. The substance of that meeting is summarized in Chapters 18 and 19 in my book. I’m not reiterating the content of the entire meeting here but suffice it to say that there was a lot of deception at the meeting…and not by me lol.

I agree with Mike that a discussion about an extraterrestrial explanation for the UFO phenomenon is pretty much a nonstarter here. The possibility raised by PhinkPhantom has been broached by many people as an explanation for UFO sightings. If, hypothetically, KQ was involved in some kind of covert operation to mislead the public, I don’t think this would necessarily make this less interesting from our point of view.

Why a "covert operation" and not a pre-Zodiac just flexing his attention seeking muscles?

Mike

I find the attention seeking scenario more likely, but the fact that covert operations has been suggested as what is possibly behind the whole or part of the UFO phenomenon, I don’ t think it can be dismissed.

Hi,

OK. I respect that. If KQ was somehow involved in "covert operations," I’ve never gotten wind of it but that does not necessarily mean anything.

Mike

Wow…5 years after last post written…i think x was bored and decided to have fun with ufo’s….i like x as a poi…do not believe he was z but he holds interest as do the others…i like to think x is more likeable as z if you believe multiple z theory…still not convinced z left the area of the stein homocide

1947 is a significant year for UFO sightings. Some people believe this is when the greys first started coming here, due to the bomb testing we had going on. Take a look at the date of the article saying Qvale and 50 others saw a group of UFO’s. July 7th, 1947!! Now take a look at the date of THIS…

July 8th, 1947!! Hmmmmmmm. Coincidence?

http://nicap.org/waves/Wave47Rpt/Report … tionII.htm

Case 332 — July 5, near Auburn, California: Kjell Qvale, an automobile salesman in Alameda and a former Navy pilot for five years, reported that he and a group of 50 other witnesses had watched a triangular formation of disc-like objects near Auburn at 2:30 p.m. PST, flying south.

Qvale said that the discs, seen first directly overhead, "appeared to be made of metal and looked like bright silver." He added that their round outline was clearly distinguishable. The objects were in view "for three or four minutes," he said.

"I have seen a lot of airplanes, and these were not airplanes. The only clue I could get as to their height, size and speed was the fact that they disappeared one at a time, high in the sky, and not over the horizon. This effect would be caused if they were very, very large and very high, and flying at a terrific speed — l,000 miles an hour," he said.

Qvale was one of the very few UFO witnesses in the 1947 wave — one of two, to be exact — who openly expressed the opinion that the objects seen could have been "space ships."