He can be forgiven though for a receding hairline which I strongly suspect was "Possibly Greying at the rear" because Kjell is known to have seen something in the early hours of July 5th and it wasn’t the shooting of Dee and Mike at Blue Rock either, well, not on this occasion anyway. Kjell was out observing UFO’s that he went on record as saying he believed were space ships. Now I expect some who haven’t heard this about Kjell may question if I am being serious or not in saying that Kjell saw space ships on July 5th so i’ll quote directly from the record of it and what Kjell’s own words were…..

Case No. 332

July 5, near Auburn, California: Kjell Qvale, an automobile salesman in Alameda and a former Navy pilot for five years, reported that he and a group of 50 other witnesses had watched a triangular formation of disc-like objects near Auburn at 2:30 p.m. PST, flying south.

Qvale said that the discs, seen first directly overhead, "appeared to be made of metal and looked like bright silver." He added that their round outline was clearly distinguishable. The objects were in view "for three or four minutes," he said.

"I have seen a lot of airplanes, and these were not airplanes. The only clue I could get as to their height, size and speed was the fact that they disappeared one at a time, high in the sky, and not over the horizon. This effect would be caused if they were very, very large and very high, and flying at a terrific speed — l,000 miles an hour," he said.

Qvale was one of the very few UFO witnesses in the 1947 wave — one of two, to be exact — who openly expressed the opinion that the objects seen could have been "space ships."

I just watched Armond’s on cam interview for Cold case Files – Zodiac Killer and you know when you think it cannot get any worse or there cannot be any more blatant contradictions, it seems that A.P is there to whisper "Wanna bet?"

As we know Armond states quite matter of fact in a confident declaration in his 2008 on screen interview for the documentary This is the Zodiac Speaking:

"A broadcast came out that told us that a cab driver was being robbed and/or possibly assaulted at the corner of Washington and Cherry Streets in Pacific Heights."

But this is another ‘updated’ and contradictory claim as it’s not what he tells us came over the radio in Cold Case Files as he seems to once again recall a totally different version as to what came over the radio:

"217 was called over the radio which means that a shooting had possibly come down."

Well this dispatcher was giving out descriptions of A Black Male incorrectly all over the place but it would not matter anyway had he gave the suspects correct ethnic description because Armond and Don are rushing to shootings one minute, assaults the next then Don speeds up Jackson past Maple, Past Cherry and to Arguello where he gets radio update of ‘White Male’ and turns right onto West Pacific until he decides it didn’t happen this way and that he had passed Maple and swung left onto Cherry and received the update suspect description from Armond. Can’t remember what they were told initially, no idea where they initially responded to and etc etc.

I can almost see Zodiac sat on the Steps of 3712 waving to passing squad cars as they fly past and call to Armond "Evening Officer, beautiful evening isn’t it? I say Officer, are you looking for a gunman by any chance? Only a black guy just came running down the sidewalk and past me waving a pistol and laughing manically. He said he’s going to hide from you in Julius Khan. Glad I can help Officer, hope you catch him…..See ya. This is the Zodiac Leaving!

the biggest issue I see with X is no explicit evidence to tie him to zodiac..with the blood splatter I would think he would have been covered especially if we can believe Z was in the front seat of the cab..X just being there does not make him Z..X was quite old then as well which kinda wrecks my younger Z theory but it is what it is and I do think X is worthy of a look see more than many..i dont think there is much doubt both cops contacted X that night which leads to X as plausible Z or the Z was simply gone into the shadows of the night

ps: everybody around that neighborhood would have known X..he was someone who had exposure in the media and of course the gear heads would easily have been able to identify him..X simply was in the public spotlight

the biggest issue I see with X is no explicit evidence to tie him to zodiac..with the blood splatter I would think he would have been covered especially if we can believe Z was in the front seat of the cab..X just being there does not make him Z..X was quite old then as well which kinda wrecks my younger Z theory but it is what it is and I do think X is worthy of a look see more than many..i dont think there is much doubt both cops contacted X that night which leads to X as plausible Z or the Z was simply gone into the shadows of the night

ps: everybody around that neighborhood would have known X..he was someone who had exposure in the media and of course the gear heads would easily have been able to identify him..X simply was in the public spotlight

No I totally agree with you and I don’t think I’ve made a claim that physical evidence exists to implicate him. It’s just the whole mystery surrounding the lack of Kjell being featured in any witness report. I mean I get that he’s got a reputation to try and protect and that, in some peoples eyes, he’s not simply your average man but that should count for nothing in a homicide investigation and if it was me (I realise this is a non argument because everyone reacts and see’s a situation differently) but I’d be wanting to add to my public image and trustworthy name by cooperating with any investigation as a witness and doing everything I could if I were simply in the wrong place at the wrong time. It’s not as if he cant explain why he’s in the area because "I live here in that house there" is not going to convince A Judge to sign an arrest warrant because that is suspicious.

But I think the main reason i suspect Qvale went to such extra effort to not have his name associated with anything to do with Zodiac is simple: I think Kjell was the man that th eight year old witness positively ID’d as the Cabbies Slayer. Now how can i jump tp such a conclusion? Well, no real physical evidence as i said but this the way i look at it:
Here we have a FBI document stating that a witness from that night who saw Zodiac at the cab has "Identified *redacted* as possible suspect in this case." Now, ask yourself this, if there has been a witness who saw the offender at the cab carrying out the crime, and then he subsequently went on to Identify Person A as the man who had been responsible, then wouldn’t you expect to see this in many reports, on documentaries, and it being vigerously followed up by Law Enforcement? This is the biggest break and lead the case has ever seen and known to that date! Arthur Allen, owns a watch with cross hair on it, deserving to be all over the papers, interviewed on news specials, Number one suspect etc…. Yet this man that a witness said was Zodiac…..Nothing! Silence! Not even a follow up report to suggest the suspect had been investigated and cleared.

My belief is, Kjell didn’t go to so much great effort to make sure his name was never published in a story about Zodiac for nothing, He has a very good reason not towant his name connected to Zodiac again because he doesn’t want people finding out that it was him this witnessed had ID’d as Zodiac. That’s my theory anyway.
And I am not saying the kid is going to be 100% correct and there is no question that if he ID’d Qvale, then Qvale has to be the man. It’s just as possible that if it were Kjell he affirmed as Cabbie Shooter then the kid could genuinely have made a mistake and this again would totally justify Kjell’s not wanting anything to do with the case

no worries..i enjoy reading your posts..i think its telling they will not release the case file on X..also has anybody ever tracked down the 8 year old witness..no doubt its a long shot as to what the then 8 year remembers but witnessing a murder should have 4-ever scarred something in that kids brain..X was never going to be portrayed as Z (ALA was easy in comparison-child molester serial killer would sell)..had money and the means to sue the ever living hell out of the sfpd and anybody who printed his name in the paper..slander while not an easy case would not have mattered much to X in regards to cost to pursue..he had the money while the average joe would throw in the towel..may be the time line is corrupt and X went home and changed clothes-i just dont know..

no worries..i enjoy reading your posts..i think its telling they will not release the case file on X..also has anybody ever tracked down the 8 year old witness..no doubt its a long shot as to what the then 8 year remembers but witnessing a murder should have 4-ever scarred something in that kids brain..X was never going to be portrayed as Z (ALA was easy in comparison-child molester serial killer would sell)..had money and the means to sue the ever living hell out of the sfpd and anybody who printed his name in the paper..slander while not an easy case would not have mattered much to X in regards to cost to pursue..he had the money while the average joe would throw in the towel..may be the time line is corrupt and X went home and changed clothes-i just dont know..

No idea who witness is, nor have I tried to find out because I think it’s best to respect his right to remain anonymous and my way of thinking is, if he/she felt comfortable and even safe discussing this case and who they had pointed to as the suspect then they would already be here without any coaxing. My view is, I want the suspect named by the witness, the witness has a right to remain silent and away from this case. I would imagine that it scared that kid half to death when they became aware that not only had they pointed to Man A as a Cab Driver Murderer, but turns out he’s a bit more high profile than that, he’s actually "The San Francisco Zodiac Killer?" And to top it all, they are going to let him go without charge! That would be utterly terrifying to your average adult, but at aged Eight? Maybe that person has lived in enough fear over the years and just doesn’t want to go on record which, if that were the case, I for one absolutely understand.

I have posted MrX’s ss application in the top secret zodiac suspect discussion….

How come hardly any comments on it????

I have posted MrX’s ss application in the top secret zodiac suspect discussion….

How come hardly any comments on it????

WELL….ANYBODY???

I have posted MrX’s ss application in the top secret zodiac suspect discussion….

How come hardly any comments on it????

WELL….ANYBODY???

Morf I just went and looked at it and my reaction is….Oh My God! That is Zodiac’s hand printing if ever I saw it!

Hmmmm

I have posted MrX’s ss application in the top secret zodiac suspect discussion….

How come hardly any comments on it????

Can´t find that thread could you post a link?

I have posted MrX’s ss application in the top secret zodiac suspect discussion….

How come hardly any comments on it????

Can´t find that thread could you post a link?

viewtopic.php?f=107&t=1539&start=30

"Top Secret Zodiac Suspect Discussion" section – you must be signed in to view seagull’s link.

Thanks Seagull & Tahoe

I have posted MrX’s ss application in the top secret zodiac suspect discussion….

How come hardly any comments on it????

Can´t find that thread could you post a link?

Morf I was going to say earlier that it’s probably best to place the SSN form for Kjell in a thread of it’s own in ‘Mr X’. At present it’s hid several pages into a thread that doesn’t specifically say Kjell’s SSN Ap. form is on there. Just a suggestion.