Well Kjell Was in the immediate vicinity of the Stine crime scene, some say walking a dog on Maple, others (myself being one of these ‘others’) believe he was standing in that driveway of 3712 Jackson and is seen by Pelissetti shortly after Fouke Passes him. Did Kjell have influential friends and know people in high places? Well he was an invitee and member of The Bohemian Grove Club, a somewhat secretive retreat with a private members list, a list that thanks to people like Alex Jones and WikiLeaks, we know has members such as Ronald Regan and Richard Nixon and many other influential and powerful people. Kjell belonged to this club.

Kjell also lived a few doors down from where Zodiac was last seen. This also would allow Zodiac to observe the search of Julius Kahn from the safety of his own Back room upstairs window and enable him to give details of the search effort etc. Zodiac ignored the Cherry St entrance to the Presidio grounds, a far quicker and easier escape route that would offer cover of darkness within 30-45 seconds of leaving the cab. Yet he hits Jackson & Cherry Intersects and decides to turn right, and walk down the hill on Jackson Street staying highly visible to any unwanted attention, attention that could come from an approaching Blue Meanie in his Prowl Car. I have said for months now that Zodiac ignoring Cherry St entrance to the Presidio is very telling and today i discovered that Dave Toschi also noted this as extremely odd and making little sense if, as most believe, Z was heading for the Presidio anyway. Toschi can only guess that "Maybe He (Zodiac) had a very detailed plan and escape route, but why would he turn down Jckson when there’s an entrance to where your going right across the street at Jackson and Cherry?" Toschi also hints:

"Or maybe he remained on that street because he had to because he was heading somewhere specific."

X had the money..had access to cars..had the connections to upper echelon and most importantly was powerful enuff the cops would have been hesitant to even suspect…at one time 1/3 of all VW vehicles imported into usa were sold by X’s dealership (mid 50’s)….X is a good POI and well known in the VW community…in the end I dont think he was Z though (he would fit the Z as older theories quite nicely) but does he deserve his place on the POI’s..I dunno there just is no explicit evidence beyond gut feel but he does raise a lot of questions in the Z world

A handwriting sample or two for MrX would go a long way. Will we see any??

This is neither here nor there – just a general remark – but the KQ theory makes a nice parallel to the "royal killer" theory which has been popular for a long time in Ripper circles.

There’s something very appealing about it, because it would explain nicely why the killer has never been caught: he had friends in high places and was protected from being thoroughly investigated. But the flip side of this is that such theories – to me, at least – always run the risk of slipping over into conspiracy terrain, which is never a good thing.

I don’t buy a full blown conspiracy angle as far as KQ is concerned. I don’t believe LE knew that KQ was the Zodiac – and let him get away with it because he was too powerful, as it were. That’s too much of a stretch for me.

What I’m willing to consider, however, is that KQ was never properly investigated by LE because he was deemed a perfectly unlikely suspect. That is more plausible. The idea of someone like KQ being involved in a series of murders would have been outlandish – it still is. But it’s not impossible. KQ was accosted by the cops on the night of the murder in a manner which raises questions – questions that haven’t been answered.

I for one am looking forward to seeing what Welsh’s FOIA request will bring.

If the SFPD knew that Qvale were Zodiac, I really don’t see why they shouldn’t come clean.

Declaring the Zodiac case solved would be a major coup.

This is neither here nor there – just a general remark – but the KQ theory makes a nice parallel to the "royal killer" theory which has been popular for a long time in Ripper circles.

There’s something very appealing about it, because it would explain nicely why the killer has never been caught: he had friends in high places and was protected from being thoroughly investigated. But the flip side of this is that such theories – to me, at least – always run the risk of slipping over into conspiracy terrain, which is never a good thing.

I don’t buy a full blown conspiracy angle as far as KQ is concerned. I don’t believe LE knew that KQ was the Zodiac – and let him get away with it because he was too powerful, as it were. That’s too much of a stretch for me.

What I’m willing to consider, however, is that KQ was never properly investigated by LE because he was deemed a perfectly unlikely suspect. That is more plausible. The idea of someone like KQ being involved in a series of murders would have been outlandish – it still is. But it’s not impossible. KQ was accosted by the cops on the night of the murder in a manner which raises questions – questions that haven’t been answered.

I for one am looking forward to seeing what Welsh’s FOIA request will bring.

i can agree with this..many of my thoughts as well..handwriting samples with the amount of documents needed to sell a car should exist..who knows may be a 1969 westfalia VW bus still has original documents inside and X sold the camper van…case breaker could be in your neighbors garage who owns that 69 VW bus they bought in 69…

link may be of interest to some..X was a legend no doubt..
http://www.autoweek.com/article/2013110 … /131109929

I’ve given the reasons ‘for’ Kjell to be seriously considered as Z, but in the interest of impartiality and to not show bias, I also can clearly see two (at least) known facts that argue ‘Against’ Kjell being Zodiac. They are:

Almost all who saw Z agree on one thing, he was a big beefy guy. Kjell was a former sprinter (one of the very few to ever run 100M in under 10 sec.) and was slim build.

Many also recall Zodiac had a ‘Pot belly.’ Again, Kjell has never fitted that description.

Hi-

You raise an interesting point. Let’s say that Zodiac is someone named "ABC." ABC weighs 160 lbs. Let’s say that he decides to "descise" himself by making himself look bigger. Maybe it is to fool people or maybe it is part of his psychopathology to look more intimidating/threatening. At LB, he bulks up under his bib. In PH, he simply puts on a couple of sweaters under his parka to give that "barrel chested" look.

If the police catch him at LB, his ass is grass anyway because of the costume. He’d also have a hard time explaining why he was so bulked up on a very hot day. But in PH, he cannot do that. He cannot disguise his face in PH because if he is accosted by the police (which he was at least once that night), he’d have a hard time coming up with an innocent explanation for a "Groucho Marx" type fake nose, glasses and moustache. So he bulks up to make himself look bigger. If he gets caught, it is 50 degrees out and he can say he doesn’t take the cold well. Who can disprove that story? And if Z couldn’t disguise his face in PH, what else could he have disguised other than his weight? (He said he normally looked "entirle different.")

Meanwhile, here we are 50 years later and he’d be breathing a huge sigh of relief that people are saying, "Z was 200 or more pounds, so someone 160 can be ruled out." Just as someone is only as old as they appear, they are also only as heavy as they wish to make themselves appear.

Mike

But what about Mike Mageau’s description of a heavy (beefy, not fat) build in a t-shirt?

It’s easy for some to just throw that out because they say he couldn’t have seen the man, flashlight n’all, but I don’t think that is fair to say. He was descriptive with what he could be and honest when he didn’t know.

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Where is the "moon face" that Mageau described when Z goes to PH? The Stine eyewitnesses said they carefully studied the man. Fouke was a trained observer. Nobody said that the man they saw that night had a big, "round face" like Mageau did.

One of the Stine eyewitnesses knew KQ from the early 1970s on. He did not bristle one bit when Jim brought up KQ’s name in 2003. He didn’t say, "No way it was him; he was way too thin to be the guy I saw, etc." All he rambled on about is that he never knew KQ wore glasses..because he never saw him with them on. By the early 1970s KQ had lost the glasses, grown sideburns and let his hair grow out.

Mike

I suggest you word a FOIA request to the FBI as follows:

I am requesting any files or reports that are releasable under FOIA guidelines for Qvale….A deceased individual-proof of death as follows(obituary,deacth cert,etc,provide date of death,ss#,etc as much as you can). I am specifically interested in any FBI fles connected to Qvale n regards to the FBI’s Zodiac Killer investigation.

When it comes to the FBI requests,its all about exact details,specific inquiry,and also include a date range,say 1968-1980,etc,etc

I have been able to get various levels of success. Also,I am sure you already have this,but request his military files via FOIA military request

That is excellent advise because Morf is right, the success of any FOIA request you submit will depend as much on the way you word your request and the specifics of what your requesting as it does on whether they do or do not have it in their records.

I haven’t asked for Qvale specifically in the FOIA for the release of the redacted suspect as given by the eight year old witness and the reason is obviously because I may suspect that under the redacted covering the name is Qvale, but that is just speculation and a matter of personal opinion. That’s why I demanded, I mean requested (lol) for the release of any and all named suspects in specific document in question to be released where the privacy act/laws are no longer in effect. Or words to that effect anyway, can’t remember exactly word for word now, but I requested the release of redacted name in similar previous request and was successful in gaining the release of Robert Hale West’s name. However, in that request I worded it with a wording that would only allow for one name to be released because that what I had basically requested and at the time I sent that one it wouldn’t have mattered if Qvale was or was not in the document as a named suspect because they wouldn’t have released it un-redacted because he was still alive at the time. At the time I sent this request that is pending, Qvale had passed away so that eliminates the privacy act/laws keeping his name from being released and wording it asking for the release of any and all named suspects in this doc will hopefully take out of the equation any possibility that they would release a name but not the one I specifically requested be released as there are several redacted names of suspects in this one document.

Another tip is, if the info you want released is a named suspect and the file and document in question is in the Websites online vault, then tell them that and add a link to it. I attached the link to the document itself that features on their site and gave them the specific page No, The Doc title and it’s subject heading because that way, your not simply leaving it down to them to figure out which redacted name you refer to and on which page it appears and within which document, but your pointing them directly to the document itself. I added a link such as that to my first FOIA and that was successful and all though I can’t say I know it was because of this link being added that it contributed toward the outcome of the request, what I can say for certain is that it certainly didn’t hinder it!

For me, if they supply me with the release if one suspects name or three is not really what is important to me this time, it’s the one specific redacted name I am extremely interested in discovering because that name, whoever it belonged to, was IDENTIFIED as the person possibly responsible in the murder of cab driver, aka, Paul Stine. if the file comes back with that specific name remaining redacted, then for me there can be no other conclusion to arrive at other than it is not Kjell Qvale name that hides beneath it. But if he is the man named, I see no reason for them to not release his name now with the barrier of the Privacy Law now removed. So either way, the resulting outcome will be telling no matter if he is clearly now named in an un-redacted release, or if he isn’t named in any of the un-redacted names because both will answer the question of whether he is a named party in the Doc. itself or not.

The man who shot Stine definitely did not have a round face, so either someone else is responsible for attacking Mageau and Ferrin, or Mageau did not get a good enough look. It was dark, and the only light was shining directly in his eyes. I think that’s enough to obscure someone’s look at a face.

I’m sure this must have been brought up before, but does anyone know what size shoe kjell wore?

The man who shot Stine definitely did not have a round face, so either someone else is responsible for attacking Mageau and Ferrin, or Mageau did not get a good enough look. It was dark, and the only light was shining directly in his eyes. I think that’s enough to obscure someone’s look at a face.

I’m sure this must have been brought up before, but does anyone know what size shoe kjell wore?

Says who?

Fouke and the eyewitnesses who saw him walk away from Stine’s cab mention nothing about a round face. The sketch is not a round face. Not gaunt but certainly not round