I stand behind the statement that Z was an individual who demonstrated unique behaviors and KQ demonstrated most if not all of them AND (more importantly) no other known suspect does as far as I know. I was told by a published author earlier this year that "lots of people write on Monarch sized paper." But that is not the question. The question is which Z suspects, a very small pool of the population, wrote on that type of paper? THAT is the important question to ask yourself.

Isn’t this a type of selection bias, though? Surely others can pick out the "best" Z-like qualities of their favorite suspects, and demand the same standard be applied to KQ with those very same qualities.

Consider the bank that was robbed by a man with red shoes. Let’s say he was also wearing a blue baseball cap. You favorite suspect is Fred who has red shoes. Mine is Ted who has a blue baseball cap. You demand to know which suspects have red shoes, and since none can be produced, Fred wins. I demand to know which suspects had blue caps, and since none can be produced, Ted wins.

Oh geez, I goofed. Kent State was in 1970 not 1969

in any case, it seems more plausible that KQ was referring to street protests rather than a lovers lane murder months earlier.

How about the irony of a man who enriched himself selling VW Beetles railing against Hitler, who helped design them? He hated Hitler but was willing to sell "Hitler’s car." Z kind of liked irony.

It’s reasonable that a European man who came of age in the 30s would bring up Hitler in times of social upheaval.

I stand behind the statement that Z was an individual who demonstrated unique behaviors and KQ demonstrated most if not all of them AND (more importantly) no other known suspect does as far as I know. I was told by a published author earlier this year that "lots of people write on Monarch sized paper." But that is not the question. The question is which Z suspects, a very small pool of the population, wrote on that type of paper? THAT is the important question to ask yourself.

Isn’t this a type of selection bias, though? Surely others can pick out the "best" Z-like qualities of their favorite suspects, and demand the same standard be applied to KQ with those very same qualities.

Consider the bank that was robbed by a man with red shoes. Let’s say he was also wearing a blue baseball cap. You favorite suspect is Fred who has red shoes. Mine is Ted who has a blue baseball cap. You demand to know which suspects have red shoes, and since none can be produced, Fred wins. I demand to know which suspects had blue caps, and since none can be produced, Ted wins.

Exactly. I see the war of KQ and Sullivan coming on…

Seriously though. All that is good stuff, but it doesn’t make one Zodiac. I’m actually a bit surprised a professional profiler would stake that claim based off that stuff. I would like to know what this man thought Zodiac’s past was like–the type of life in led in order to kill. And, what was KQ’s motive? He had a lot to lose and it would be VERY risky to kill Paul in his own backyard where anyone could have seen him. WHY?

There’s another profiler (posted on this site)that thinks Z was a paranoid schizophrenic, poor, withdrawn and alone. It proves different profilers have differing opinions

I agree with doranchak’s point above.

The fact that KQ used monarch sized paper is interesting. Just like it’s interesting that, say, Sullivan worked at the library. Or that Ted K actually killed people. Plenty of proposed suspects have something in that vein which no other proposed suspect can match. But the argument, if we can call it that, is seriously flawed. It presupposes that Z had to have been one of the known and proposed “POIs” people have promoted over the years.

If we’re looking in a limited – but perfectly artificial – pool of proposed suspects for the one guy who fits the bill the most, well, I’m sure we can narrow it down to one “winner” based on whatever criteria we decide on. But – I’m tempted to say – so what? Who’s to say Z is in that pool to begin with?

No disrespect to Mike – his case obviously doesn’t rest on that argument alone, and it’s more of a general point anyway, not specific to KQ.

I agree with doranchak’s point above.

The fact that KQ used monarch sized paper is interesting. Just like it’s interesting that, say, Sullivan worked at the library. Or that Ted K actually killed people. Plenty of proposed suspects have something in that vein which no other proposed suspect can match. But the argument, if we can call it that, is seriously flawed. It presupposes that Z had to have been one of the known and proposed “POIs” people have promoted over the years.

If we’re looking in a limited – but perfectly artificial – pool of proposed suspects for the one guy who fits the bill the most, well, I’m sure we can narrow it down to one “winner” based on whatever criteria we decide on.

…and Arthur Lee Allen actually wore a Zodiac watch with crosshair symbol right on the face!! Hard to beat that.

It sort of makes me scratch my head when I use Z’s behavior and pick out the unusual things he did that made him Z and I am accused of cherry picking behaviors that KQ demonstrated and comparing them to Z and saying, "See, he was Z." I didn’t pick out KQ’s behaviors and compare them to Z. I used Z’s unique behaviors and showed that essentially (and as far as I know, to the exclusion of all other suspects), KQ demonstrated many/most of them. Make your own list of Z behaviors. What made him different from you and me? The need for attention, writing on Monarch sized paper, writing on car doors, obsession with cars, etc.

We do not know that Z ever wore a Zodiac watch…but we do know that he had ties to BOTH England and to Norse culture.

Mike

Z had an obsession with cars? That’s a first. Never took him for the type to thumb through auto trader or break his bank for some fancy wheels.

I think he was just technically minded, like an engineer would be. Imo

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We do not know that Z ever wore a Zodiac watch…but we do know that he had ties to BOTH England and to Norse culture"

He had ties to England? Based on what? And as far as the ‘norse’ connection, how do we know he didn’t read about that stuff in a book or magazine?

We do not know that Z ever wore a Zodiac watch…but we do know that he had ties to BOTH England and to Norse culture.

Mike

I totally admire your research efforts, but comments like this aren’t any different than those of whom you criticize.

I have never seen any difinitive proof of a rune or other nordic symbol on anything Z that is considered beyond a doubt..X holds my interest more than most others…but i myself would love to hear a Z connection to england (jaguar may be??)…I can in some sense buy into ever so softly that X may have been furious with the yutes of the 60’s just do to his age..X was well above age to be considered the establishment.i dunno..kinda floored by the whole england connection

Well in 1974 Zodiac wrote the letter saying SLA is an old Norse word for kill.

The two symbols on the Halloween card are Norse symbols…and a lot of other things…maybe. Even the Z symbol is a Norse rune but also other things. Then you have some Germanic things like Z saying he had a Luger.

The British thing IMO is a lot weaker. I think some of it came from langauge like kiddies, some from the watch found near Bates supposedly a type sold in Britain.

The Norse stuff,Z could have read about.

The English stuff, think he may be talking about use of the word, ‘shall’, which we have already proven was used a lot in literature, writing,etc, (and according to some People on here is used very frequently )

And again, seems as if my question is somehow getting passed over, why is it, that the only writing we have seen from MrX, besides an autographed car door or two, is a social security application which I provided? These are fair questions, the likes of which I’ve faced with Ross Sullivan.

I would agree with Morf and say I would like to see more writing samples even if they are not printed.

Morf I was just answering the question about why some think Z knew about Norse. Absolutely a person does not have to be born in a Scandinavian or Germanic country to know about Norse. The Prose Edda is the main book of Norse stories, myths and culture and certainly anyone can buy one. (I know about the book because TK had one in his cabin).

Your other questions are legit and it is certainly up to each person with a poi to try to show as much handwriting as possible. As much everything as possible, good and bad or inbetween.