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mrsean
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Greetings,

Does anyone have any idea where Douglas Oswell is these days? (Author "The Unabomber and The Zodiac")

Re: his associated website http://www.unazod.com, all links result in "403 forbidden. You don’t have permission to access / on this server." Domain is registered to Nakazawa Trading Co.

Thanks for the opportunity to pose this question here.

:)

"Pure mathematics is, in its way, the poetry of logical ideas." Albert Einstein

 
Posted : April 29, 2021 12:45 pm
doranchak
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Looks like that site went dark in 2019.

The last Wayback snapshot of it is from Feb 2019:

http://unazod.com /”> https://web.archive.org/web/20190207051 … nazod.com/

AK Wilks might know more about what Oswell is up to these days.

http://zodiackillerciphers.com

 
Posted : April 29, 2021 2:03 pm
mrsean
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Looks like that site went dark in 2019.

The last Wayback snapshot of it is from Feb 2019:

http://unazod.com /”> https://web.archive.org/web/20190207051 … nazod.com/

AK Wilks might know more about what Oswell is up to these days.

Genuinely grateful, thank you. I wasn’t aware of the Internet Archive. Brilliant.

I’ll let you get back to cracking the Z13…

Thanks again.

"Pure mathematics is, in its way, the poetry of logical ideas." Albert Einstein

 
Posted : April 30, 2021 1:40 am
Hiking
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Yep there was the Unibomber writen about in the past. Read about the bombs he sent came from
San Fransisco and that he lived there. But his method was much different. than what zodiac did to many people

 
Posted : May 3, 2021 6:06 am
mrsean
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Yep there was the Unibomber writen about in the past. Read about the bombs he sent came from
San Fransisco and that he lived there. But his method was much different. than what zodiac did to many people

I recommend you check out the various discussions within these forums on the actual similarities between the two, and the theory that they were one & the same person. The MO and signature of both have more in common that you may think.

"Pure mathematics is, in its way, the poetry of logical ideas." Albert Einstein

 
Posted : May 4, 2021 1:21 am
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The parallels with Zodiac are compelling, but I think it can safely assumed that Ted Kaczynski was thoroughly investigated and ruled out when he was caught.

 
Posted : May 4, 2021 1:50 am
mrsean
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The parallels with Zodiac are compelling, but I think it can safely assumed that Ted Kaczynski was thoroughly investigated and ruled out when he was caught.

You would like to think so but there seems to be, unsurprisingly, conflicting information on this. It also boils down to how one is "ruled out" in the Zodiac case, and whether the reported fingerprints and DNA, along with handwriting, are even reliable. There clearly needs to be more than simply circumstantial evidence, yet, publicly at least, the strength of the fingerprint and DNA evidence remains uncertain. (Remembering that there will no doubt be a lot of information, evidence and material that has not been made public…yet.)

Coincidently, Michael Butterfield just released a new episode of his excellent "Zodiac – A to Z" podcast, titled "Puzzling Questions", and discusses this very subject. He poses the question, "What would happen if newly found DNA from the Zodiac case matched one of the known suspects?"

https://zodiackillerfacts.com/zodiac-media/zodiac-a-to-z-zodiackillerfacts-podcast/

"Pure mathematics is, in its way, the poetry of logical ideas." Albert Einstein

 
Posted : May 4, 2021 3:03 am
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You would like to think so but there seems to be, unsurprisingly, conflicting information on this. It also boils down to how one is "ruled out" in the Zodiac case, and whether the reported fingerprints and DNA, along with handwriting, are even reliable. There clearly needs to be more than simply circumstantial evidence, yet, publicly at least, the strength of the fingerprint and DNA evidence remains uncertain. (Remembering that there will no doubt be a lot of information, evidence and material that has not been made public…yet.)

I watched a documentary on the Unabomber last night. He used to file down all of the components in his bombs to avoid leaving fingerprints. He also used to collect hair from random bathrooms to put in his bomb components to throw forensic investigators off. We know that some of the Zodiac letters had fingerprints on them. LE believes that Zodiac left fingerprints on Hartnell’s door and Stine’s cab. He also left a palm print on the receiver of the pay phone in Napa. None of that sounds like TK. He was too meticulous. Not to mention, TK’s writing does not sound anything like Zodiac’s. TK has very academic writing. Zodiac writes like an 8th grader.

If you look at pictures of TK in 1969, he was skinny and ripped. That doesn’t sound like the guy with a belly described by Mageau and Hartnell. And TK was WAY too socially awkward to pull off LB. I know TK was in Berkley in 1967. But was he in Riverside in 1966? I thought he was getting he PhD. in mathematics at the University of Michigan at that time.

 
Posted : May 5, 2021 2:24 am
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Mageau was reported to have said "not blubbery fat, but real beefy." Hartnell later said that it may have been the baggy jacket that created the beer belly effect, and lamented that LE mostly (only?) showed him husky guys. Graysmith and Toschi always acted like Zodiac was John Goodman, in spite of zero comments about a paunch from PH witnesses, unless somebody here can produce one.

Some issues with Ted:

– Very high, very wimpy voice.
– Pathologically non-confrontational. Student hit on him, he just stared at her till she left. Never worked up the nerve to kill anyone with his homemade gun. I don’t think he would have been terrified of Fouke seeing him again after all those years. And Fouke apparently gave him the thumbs down because (hard IIRC here) of his general facial shape (this was when Dean and Rodelli showed him KQ and Kane).
– He wrote letters to Canadian newspapers, and claimed to be traveling in Canada, while Zodiac was still mailing letters in SF.
– The error-riddled ciphers seem like below par work for Ted.

Of course, there are a lot of eerie parallels as well.

 
Posted : May 5, 2021 3:38 am
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Well, and there is also the problem of how TK was apprehended. His brother’s wife recognized his writing from his manifesto. You would think that his brother would have recognized his writing from Z letters if it were TK.

 
Posted : May 5, 2021 3:46 am
Marshall
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Well, and there is also the problem of how TK was apprehended. His brother’s wife recognized his writing from his manifesto. You would think that his brother would have recognized his writing from Z letters if it were TK.

Was his handwriting recognized, or was it the words and phraseology of the manifesto? I thought it was typeset when published.

There are many posts comparing Ted’s penmanship to Z letters and the comparison is striking. In fact, I think it’s clear Ted’s writing is more similar to Zodiac letters than the LB car door.

 
Posted : May 5, 2021 3:58 am
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Well, and there is also the problem of how TK was apprehended. His brother’s wife recognized his writing from his manifesto. You would think that his brother would have recognized his writing from Z letters if it were TK.

Was his handwriting recognized, or was it the words and phraseology of the manifesto? I thought it was typeset when published.

There are many posts comparing Ted’s penmanship to Z letters and the comparison is striking. In fact, I think it’s clear Ted’s writing is more similar to Zodiac letters than the LB car door.

It was his word choice and phraseology. But I would think his brother would also recognize his handwriting.

 
Posted : May 5, 2021 4:03 am
mrsean
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For TK vs. Z handwriting comparison, have a look at the incredible work done here by Marcelo:

http://zodiackillersite.com/viewtopic.php?f=102&t=4456

"Pure mathematics is, in its way, the poetry of logical ideas." Albert Einstein

 
Posted : May 5, 2021 4:40 am
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For TK vs. Z handwriting comparison, have a look at the incredible work done here by Marcelo:

http://zodiackillersite.com/viewtopic.php?f=102&t=4456

The handwriting is very similar. TK was very lean, though. I know that Hartnell later said that Zodiac could have been wearing layers, which made him look bigger. However, a skinny guy in multiple layers just looks like a skinny guy wearing layers. He wouldn’t look beefy or barrel-chested. TK’s fingerprints did not match. So, either neither Riverside nor SFPD has Zodiac’s prints, the prints are not of sufficient quality to obtain a match, or TK is not Zodiac. TK’s voice does not sound like a "drawl", it just sounds whiny and high-pitched. How do you reconcile these facts?

 
Posted : May 5, 2021 9:55 pm
mrsean
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For TK vs. Z handwriting comparison, have a look at the incredible work done here by Marcelo:

http://zodiackillersite.com/viewtopic.php?f=102&t=4456

The handwriting is very similar. TK was very lean, though. I know that Hartnell later said that Zodiac could have been wearing layers, which made him look bigger. However, a skinny guy in multiple layers just looks like a skinny guy wearing layers. He wouldn’t look beefy or barrel-chested. TK’s fingerprints did not match. So, either neither Riverside nor SFPD has Zodiac’s prints, the prints are not of sufficient quality to obtain a match, or TK is not Zodiac. TK’s voice does not sound like a "drawl", it just sounds whiny and high-pitched. How do you reconcile these facts?

Good questions – not easy to reconcile, especially the voice. A couple of points from Dr Mark Hewitt’s book, "Exposed":

* As the Unabomber, TK was known to wear extra layers, including bulky jackets, to appear larger to any witnesses
* As the Unabomber, TK wore disguises and deliberately altered his appearance. (hair, beard etc)
* TK wrote and bragged about his disguises, including stuffing cotton into his mouth and nose to alter his appearance
* Investigators found false bottom shoes belonging to TK, making his footprint smaller than his actual shoe size
* A forensic artist theorized TK broke his own nose to alter his appearance after being sighted in Salt Lake City
* TK developed two speech patterns, as far back as childhood, implying he could effectively alter his "voice"

I’m offering these not as hard rebuttal, more as observations. In terms of fingerprints, I guess the quality of the matching is only ever as good as the quality and authenticity of the fingerprint evidence itself. And do the evidential prints definitively belong to the Zodiac?

"Pure mathematics is, in its way, the poetry of logical ideas." Albert Einstein

 
Posted : May 6, 2021 2:03 am
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