I think he is dead and has been for many years; I also agree that it is unlikely his identity will ever be discovered.

I think he is dead and has been for many years; I also agree that it is unlikely his identity will ever be discovered.

I hope you are wrong about him not being discovered.

I tend to believe that the man claiming to be Zodiac and telling the police where to find one of his victims bodies during the 90’s, was in fact thee Zodiac.
That man is very much alive. There were two victims from the 90’s who survived his knife attack, who know very well that he is still alive.
They went into hiding because he tried to finish the job by going after them later on. He could not afford to leave any surviving victims alive!

I was able to get a good look at him as he trolled for more victims in the Pittsburg Ca.area driving a sliver Honda looking car , without any license plate on either the front or the back. It was in the afternoon so I saw him clearly.
From time to time, I see him driving different cars and trucks, that man is very much alive. You may think that it is only a coincidence that he is the same man I got away from in Vallejo 1968 if you like. I say that the odds of him being the Zodiac are pretty good! Especially when you take into account that he is also the man who Darlene’s family said she was so afraid of. Of course we were told his name was Larry Kane, but now know that he wasn’t Kane, he only looked like him.

yes Tahoe, First post, but have been a long time reader. Just started posting, and put up an introduction finally.

and I don’t think he’s been in California for awhile. Maybe the 90’s? and sent the Eureka card. Haven’t read/heard about any of those stabbing victims Sandy.

yes Tahoe, First post, but have been a long time reader. Just started posting, and put up an introduction finally.

and I don’t think he’s been in California for awhile. Maybe the 90’s? and sent the Eureka card. Haven’t read/heard about any of those stabbing victims Sandy.

Thank goodness you posted, I was very suspicious of you! You did what I felt was very Z like, reading for about a year and then your first post really made me think you could be Zodiac.
In answer to your asking if the police or FBI ever get back to anyone about their suspect? Yes they do , but not always. The police where I live repeated everything I was telling them about what my suspect was doing to me almost every day in the 80’s into the 90’s. They were in contact with the DOJ in Sacramento. That was how I found out that they believe the true Zodiac has a lazy eye.
They asked my detective to find out from me if he has a lazy eye. He hides his eyes by wearing tinted glasses, so I hadn’t noticed at that time.I made sure that I got a better look at him the next time he would come into my work.
That night I was nose to nose with the man and saw that one eye moved around uncontrollably, not always like that, but would move! I reported that to the detective the next day, I think he felt I told him that to convince him of my suspect being thee Zodiac.
The only other victims that I know of who would have gotten a good enough look at the Zodiac’s eyes, would have been either Isobel Watson, or Kathleen Johns, unless there is another one that we don’t know about? I doubt it was Hartnell, or Mike M.

It is to bad that the police have had to deal with so many people making false claims, it makes it hard to get them to pay attention to what information others have.
Give them time to check what you gave them, if they think your POI is worth the time and money it takes to investigate ,they will do it.
I have a friend who was with the FBI and worked in Navy intelligence, he sent information to the police about his POI and hasn’t heard back from them yet either.
Most of the murdered girls in Contra Costa County were prostitutes, so they didn’t get much media attention,or on the front pages like other victims do. The police never told the media that they had a caller claiming to be the Zodiac. I found that out from a retired detective who worked some of those cases.Those girls were not only stabbed,but were tortured and beaten,then dumped like trash. A few actually got away from him,that was how I heard what he looked like and that he was a man in his 50’s who they felt worked in construction.That was when I did a stake out of the area where they were picked up and saw him for myself trolling that area.
I have no doubt that Zodiac is still out there.

I think it’s certainly possible he is alive. He could be living anywhere , he may have changed and lives a totally different life, if he is alive that is.

I do not have one ounce of doubt that he is alive and still killing. Like I have said time after time, he is a cowardly killer and is too scared to prove he is still alive.

In spite of what Dave Toschi believes , he does not want to be caught. If he did he would have been caught yrs ago, Duh !

As most of you know I have a suspect who is still alive, who has confessed to killing over 12 other females in the mid 80’s to mid 90’s, in the Antioch/Pittsburg Ca. area.
He told the police he is Zodiac, but they chose not to believe him.The sister of one of those victims Teresa Colleen Brown, I believe has contacted Morf and said she believes the Zodiac is who killed her sister.

I saw my suspect a few weeks ago, so I know he is still alive. I have contacted one of the retired detectives on those murder cases and asked him if he knows of any new victims in that area? I am waiting to hear back from him.
My suspect goes quite for many months then resurfaces, he is back right now. I get calls, but he no longer will say anything, knowing that I recorded him in the past. DOJ told me I can’t do that or they will arrest me.

Yesterday I received a copy of a Sept 1977 Star newspaper article titled : "Lone Cop vows to hunt down Son Of Sam style killer on the west coast"It was about Toschi , who described the killer as being in his 50’s, 6ft tall, 200 pounds, with reddish brown hair, glasses and a protruding stomach. Sounds like he went with the oldest description from the Stine case which was 45 and Hartnell’s taller,heavier description of the "younger" sounding man? The likelihood of that person Toschi described to be alive is rather slim. I have to go along with the killer being more like 30 in 1969 not 45. At 78 yrs old he could easily be alive.

Sandy, I think your suspect is the Zodiac. I have been reading your posts for years and I think you have a great deal of knowledge. I recommend you put the entire story together in one manuscript, including your direct dealings with this person, your research and your communication with various law enforcement agencies. If you have photographs of items that this person sent you, it would give extra credence to your account. By far, your investigation and memories are more interesting than anything published yet. Do worry about style…just focus on the substance. I’m some of us on here would help edit the work.

I am worried that man is tracking you here and at the other sites, and I pray you practice caution.

Sandy, I think your suspect is the Zodiac. I have been reading your posts for years and I think you have a great deal of knowledge. I recommend you put the entire story together in one manuscript, including your direct dealings with this person, your research and your communication with various law enforcement agencies. If you have photographs of items that this person sent you, it would give extra credence to your account. By far, your investigation and memories are more interesting than anything published yet. Do worry about style…just focus on the substance. I’m some of us on here would help edit the work.

I am worried that man is tracking you here and at the other sites, and I pray you practice caution.

Thank you so much for you vote of confidence! It is people like you who give me the courage to keep going. I think you are correct about me putting it into book form and certainly would need help editing it. I realize that it is a hard to believe story and wouldn’t need any embellishment LOL.

I have no doubt that this person is reading my posts, he knows that I carry a gun for my protection and that I am a pretty good shot! He normally goes after defenseless people. I believe that if he really wanted me dead, he would have done it long ago, I think he is entertained my what I do and that many people think that I am crazy as a loon.
I admit that I am a bit crazy, not many people would chase him down the street as I have knowing he is a serial killer.
Believe me it has nothing to do with being brave LOL. I posted years back ,that there is more than one way to take someones life.

How is this for a start?
December 20th was the coldest day in 1968 it was a mere 22 degrees. That was the evening when David Faraday age 17 and Betty Lou Jensen 16, were getting ready for their first date.
It was the very first time that Betty Lou’s parents allowed her to go out with a boy.
They knew that they could trust David who was a Eagle Scout and that he was one of Vallejo Highs top students , they were sure he would be responsible and would bring their daughter home by 11pm, which was their curfew.
They both had told their parents that they were going to Betty Lou’s school Christmas concert at Hogan High and then to a party.
David told his older sister that they were going out to Lake Herman road, he had heard that a group of their friends were going to be there. Before they headed out to Lake Herman road, they drove over to Brentwood street to visit Betty Lou’s best friend Sharon.Sharon’s boyfriend was supposed to loin them and all four go to San Francisco, but he didn’t show. David and Betty Lou left Sharon’s house around 9pm and drove to Mr. Ed’s drive- in, to have a coke then proceeded out to Lake Herman road.
It was a lonely stretch of country road on the outskirts of Vallejo, lined by large tall trees, which made it very dark.
There were a few ranches off of the road, but far enough away that no one could see the lovers who would sometimes park at the curved gravel inlet leading to the Benicia water pumping station, it was very secluded.
That was where David drove to and parked his mothers 1961 beige and brown Rambler. It was so cold that he had to turn on the car heater, causing the windows to steam up right away just form the body heat inside the car and the freezing cold outside. They were having an enjoyable conversation and cuddling, the hours had passed very quickly ,it was time to get Betty Lou back home by 11pm as David had promised her father Vern. He turn the key and started to back out, but waited for the on coming car to drive past them so they could pull out.
All of a sudden that car pulled up along side of them and a man got out of a light colored car. He walked over to their car, but because of the steamed up windows they couldn’t see who he was, so Betty Lou rolled the window down. The man was holding a gun and demanded that they get out of the car. They refused , so he fired a shot at the left rear wheel of the car then into the top of the right rear window shattering it, forcing the frightened teens out of the car. Traffic was sparse at that time of night, there was a shift change at 11 pm for the workers at Syar rock and asphalt paving company which was on Lake Herman road , there was also Humble Oil company workers who drove that road from Vallejo. The closer it became to 11pm there would be fewer cars. The killer must have known that, it is believed that he may have told them it was hold up or said something to stall for time and had them stand by the side of the car on the passengers side , with their hands up on the car. It was less likely that anyone driving past would see them standing on that side of the car. The shooter standing behind but to David’s left and Betty Lou standing to the right of David, next to the open car door. As soon as it was clear of any cars, the man holding a gun in his right hand up to David’s head ,with out warning, shoots David just behind his left ear. With that shot, Betty Lou runs northward around the other side of the shooters car on the right , thinking that it would give her some protection . She had gotten about ten feet away from her attacker, before he fired the first shot at her, he continued to fire shots at her, she fell about twenty-eight feet from the rear of the Rambler. She was shot five times in her back with a 22 Caliber weapon. Betty Lou was pronounced dead at the scene, a ambulance was called for David who was still breathing at 11:29 pm, but by12:05 am, before arriving to the hospital at 12:23 am David was pronounced dead. When the news came out about the double shooting of two young teens, it was thought to be a drug deal that had gone bad. It was around that same time that I had a strange encounter with a man, who for whatever reason became obsessed with me.

Not I.

Soze

I believe my POI is the Zodiac and he is still alive in the Houston Galveston Area. I believe his partner was George Victor Jonasson who was a actual suspect in the Donna Lass disappearance in Lake Tahoe. George and My POI lived within 3 miles of each other for 40 plus years after George left Lake Tahoe around 1973-1974 George died in 2009. I believe these 2 are responsible for many of the Killing field deaths located in League city Texas and the I 45 corridor deaths in the Houston area.. google it. My POI was stationed in the San Francisco area in 1968 and 1969 except for being gone overseas for the 7 mo’s the Zodiac killings stopped. My POI as per his Army records returned to the continental USA July 3rd 1969 from overseas and the next day the killing started up again. My POI was not on any California Law enforcement’s radar in 1969. My POI was also a patient at the Letterman Hospital on the Presidio Army base, where Donna Lass worked.

My poi exact description (at 22 years old) is the same as the one of the White male that was last seen with Donna lass in Lake Tahoe. I believe by unlocking a cipher, that I can prove my My POI signed one of the Zodiac letters. I believe the Zodiac symbol is copied from the 35th infantry division patch (that he was not assigned to but was once at Ft Ord) just south of San Francisco. I believe Zodiac used this Symbol as his signature and the Zodiac wrote "not his address" but it was his address.. If you looked the division up you will find that it was once stationed at FT Ord. He was cluing LE he was there too. I believe my Poi shot Paul Stine while high on opiates obtained from his friend and future victim, a nurse named Donna Lass. I think my POI Zodiac killed Stine because he missed his drop off point at Washington and Cherry streets. Zodiac became enraged and killed him because he read his cab placard on the dash and believed that Stine was to stupid to have his first name. It was a impulse killing. I believe the Zodiac is possibly connected with some anthrax mailings and has killed others in Texas, Colorado. I believe My POI will kill again and will intentionally get caught to taunt Police one more time on how stupid he thinks they all have been. My Poi may even kill me to prove his superiority over me and is motivated to do so by my investigation of him. He knows I’m here.

I know my guy is a killer here in Texas. I just think he may be your Zodiac too..

TGOZ

Have you unlocked any of the Ciphers TGOZ? any other clues in the writings/cards? other than proximity and age, which don’t get me wrong, puts your suspect ahead of many.

but you have a lot of assumptions :

"Zodiac became enraged and killed him because he read his cab placard on the dash and believed that Stine was to stupid to have his first name. It was a impulse killing."

although…. there are other people who believe his name is Paul also, but from the Graysmith Only? Zodiac Riddle about tape…

7/19/78 – I am in control letter

Postby Quicktrader » Fri Jul 12, 2013 3:51 am
‘I am the ZODIAC and I am in control of all things. I am going to tell you a secret. I like friction tape. I like to have it around in case I need to truss someone up in a hurry….I have my real name on a small metallic tape. You see, while you have it in your possession, I want you to know it belongs to me and you think I may have left it accidentally. I am athletic. It could be swim fins, or a piece of scuba gear. But maybe you play chess with me. I have several cheap sets in closets all over. I have my name on the bottom of the lid with the scotch tape….My tape is waiting for me all over California. Do you know me? I am the ZODIAC and I am in control.’

One popular Tin of Tape was made in St Paul Minnesota

The Zodiac is alive because I am the Zodiac. No, wait. I’m not. So the Zodiac is dead.

Whether your POI is alive or dead, if they turn out not to be Zodiac, then that has no bearing on whether he is alive or dead, no? That’s kind of circuitous logic.

I would think that being a murderer and the lifestyle of such an individual tends to put a crimp on the average lifespan. On the other hand, Charlie Manson is still kicking.

For a killer that got away with it though…How many octogenarians have been found to have committed long past murders? Some. But on the average, the odds are not good.

letter taken from FBI Zodiac files

https://scontent.fhou1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/ … e=59C19991