Does anyone know if Dick Gaik has any documented links to Sacramento at the time of the two possible crimes?

I think it took at least 6 months from the time they narrowed it down to the DeAngleo family. It took 5 or 6 people working that case and VPD has only "one". He has been out on sick leave for a few months, so it will take longer to hear about the DNA they found.

Sometimes when word gets let out, one way or another it gets blown way out of proportion,so I wouldn’t put too much weight on what has been said just yet.

If what we heard about the Sacramento case is true, we can eliminate all of the over weight suspects. Who ever did that one, had to be very fit as well as extremely agile and could climb like a monkey. Of course my RH suspect is all of that and then some!

Which case are we referring to as the Sacramento case?

I’m assuming Benallack?

I think it took at least 6 months from the time they narrowed it down to the DeAngleo family. It took 5 or 6 people working that case and VPD has only "one". He has been out on sick leave for a few months, so it will take longer to hear about the DNA they found.

Sometimes when word gets let out, one way or another it gets blown way out of proportion,so I wouldn’t put too much weight on what has been said just yet.

If what we heard about the Sacramento case is true, we can eliminate all of the over weight suspects. Who ever did that one, had to be very fit as well as extremely agile and could climb like a monkey. Of course my RH suspect is all of that and then some!

Which case are we referring to as the Sacramento case?

I didn’t want to mention which Sacramento case it was and even said." It is was supposed to be kept under raps". That didn’t seem to stop one of the posters from mentioning the Nancy Bennallack murder! So yes there is a" rumor" that the blood found at her crime scene was found to belonged to Zodiac. It sounds silly to me, because we don’t know who Zodiac is, so how the heck can anyone say it belongs to Zodiac? Has it been compared to the partial ? Or does VPD have it and it was compared to that one? Your guess is as good as mine. I know enough about her case, to know that if it was the Zodiac who killed her, he was extremely agile and fit, as I said in my above post. That eliminates many of the known suspects! It isn’t likely that it would be anyone who was over weight, someone slowly dying of Aids, or on dialyses, in my opinion.

Do I believe that Zodiac had ties to Sacramento, yes I do believe he did. There were a few unsolved female murders in Sacramento County during the 70’s. Also the couple shot in their car on the freeway there. That one seems very Zodiac like including him telling the CHP there was an accident up the road, pointing in the direction of the shooting. (So Zodiac like I think.)

I mentioned Benallack as there’s already a link to her case and Judith Hakari’s a few posts back so not exactly a secret! It’s been talked about on Tom’s site for about a year or so as well.

I think it took at least 6 months from the time they narrowed it down to the DeAngleo family. It took 5 or 6 people working that case and VPD has only "one". He has been out on sick leave for a few months, so it will take longer to hear about the DNA they found.

Sometimes when word gets let out, one way or another it gets blown way out of proportion,so I wouldn’t put too much weight on what has been said just yet.

If what we heard about the Sacramento case is true, we can eliminate all of the over weight suspects. Who ever did that one, had to be very fit as well as extremely agile and could climb like a monkey. Of course my RH suspect is all of that and then some!

Which case are we referring to as the Sacramento case?

I didn’t want to mention which Sacramento case it was and even said." It is was supposed to be kept under raps". That didn’t seem to stop one of the posters from mentioning the Nancy Bennallack murder! So yes there is a" rumor" that the blood found at her crime scene was found to belonged to Zodiac. It sounds silly to me, because we don’t know who Zodiac is, so how the heck can anyone say it belongs to Zodiac? Has it been compared to the partial ? Or does VPD have it and it was compared to that one? Your guess is as good as mine. I know enough about her case, to know that if it was the Zodiac who killed her, he was extremely agile and fit, as I said in my above post. That eliminates many of the known suspects! It isn’t likely that it would be anyone who was over weight, someone slowly dying of Aids, or on dialyses, in my opinion.

Do I believe that Zodiac had ties to Sacramento, yes I do believe he did. There were a few unsolved female murders in Sacramento County during the 70’s. Also the couple shot in their car on the freeway there. That one seems very Zodiac like including him telling the CHP there was an accident up the road, pointing in the direction of the shooting. (So Zodiac like I think.)

Perhaps it just matches with the the 4 of 9 markers they have. It wouldn’t be proof but it would be very interesting. Thanks Sandy, your tireless commitment to this effort inspires me!

If what we heard about the Sacramento case is true, we can eliminate all of the over weight suspects. Who ever did that one, had to be very fit as well as extremely agile and could climb like a monkey. Of course my RH suspect is all of that and then some!

For argument sake, I live close to, as well as visited and analyzed the Bennallack crime scene and I have to say that one did NOT have to be overly athletic to climb up, or jump down from, her balcony and could have still done so quietly. Im not saying an obese man could have done so, but someone at the very least that was Z’s highest projected weight could have done so. Its not like he had to scale a two story parking garage. There are other aspects of the bordering fencing that could have assisted him in a few ways. The better question should be; where was the downstairs neighbor that night and if present, was that neighbor questioned as to what could have been overheard etc.?

But an even better question would be; why the hell are we talking about this right now??

For argument sake, I live close to, as well as visited and analyzed the Bennallack crime scene and I have to say that one did NOT have to be overly athletic to climb up, or jump down from, her balcony and could have still done so quietly. Im not saying an obese man could have done so, but someone at the very least that was Z’s highest projected weight could have done so. Its not like he had to scale a two story parking garage. There are other aspects of the bordering fencing that could have assisted him in a few ways.

As you can see in this video, being fat doesn’t mean you can’t climb. It’s all about upper body and leg strength.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukpCLQefk28

There’s certainly a point where an out of shape person could not do it, but we don’t know that about Zodiac.

I’ve never really subscribed to the idea he was "fat" anyway, the descriptions call him "beefy", which could well mean muscular. Hartnell did say he looked to have a paunch, but that doesn’t make him out of shape and unable to perform acts that require athletic ability.

The better question should be; where was the downstairs neighbor that night and if present, was that neighbor questioned as to what could have been overheard etc.?

That’s a good question. Surely the police questioned all the neighbours. It would be interesting to know what they said.

But an even better question would be; why the hell are we talking about this right now??

I don’t know. Someone mentioned it and we got nothing else to do?

As you can see in this video, being fat doesn’t mean you can’t climb. It’s all about upper body and leg strength.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukpCLQefk28

There’s certainly a point where an out of shape person could not do it, but we don’t know that about Zodiac.

I’ve never really subscribed to the idea he was "fat" anyway, the descriptions call him "beefy", which could well mean muscular. Hartnell did say he looked to have a paunch, but that doesn’t make him out of shape and unable to perform acts that require athletic ability.

This is true, just look at powerlifters.

Sure, that would be helpful to solve the Bennallack case. Same with the SR Hitchhiker. Unlikely they were Z crimes, but if you get a named suspect you never know what that could lead to. They’ve reportedly had DNA from the Bennallack crime though for a couple years at least.

Am I wrong or does this rule out DeAngelo for the possible Zodiac cases in Sacramento? Surely there would have been a DNA match by now.

Sure, that would be helpful to solve the Bennallack case. Same with the SR Hitchhiker. Unlikely they were Z crimes, but if you get a named suspect you never know what that could lead to. They’ve reportedly had DNA from the Bennallack crime though for a couple years at least.

Am I wrong or does this rule out DeAngelo for the possible Zodiac cases in Sacramento? Surely there would have been a DNA match by now.

That’s a good question. If they’ve developed a profile from the Bennallack case, they would be able to either connect or eliminate DeAngelo.

If he was connected, there definitely would have been an announcement.

It’s conceivable they have a profile, that DeAngelo didn’t match it, and that so far they’ve come up empty in matching it to anyone, period.

My guess though is they don’t have a profile.

Sure, that would be helpful to solve the Bennallack case. Same with the SR Hitchhiker. Unlikely they were Z crimes, but if you get a named suspect you never know what that could lead to. They’ve reportedly had DNA from the Bennallack crime though for a couple years at least.

Am I wrong or does this rule out DeAngelo for the possible Zodiac cases in Sacramento? Surely there would have been a DNA match by now.

That’s a good question. If they’ve developed a profile from the Bennallack case, they would be able to either connect or eliminate DeAngelo.

If he was connected, there definitely would have been an announcement.

It’s conceivable they have a profile, that DeAngelo didn’t match it, and that so far they’ve come up empty in matching it to anyone, period.

My guess though is they don’t have a profile.

They have had a profile for years, the problem is there are no matches for it.

My understanding is that they have entered the Bennalack DNA into the various crime databases with no matches, but about 18 months ago they entered it into GEDmatch.

18 months and no positive result? That’s concerning.

Well, obviously, it’s no guarantee. It’s possible Zodiac had no relatives that used that service. It’s also possible that they found a match but are struggling to build a family tree. It’s also possible that the journalist from whom I got this information was misinformed.

I believe that the infamous claim by Tom that they had a match and it was "game on" came in March, so take that for whatever it’s worth.