Assuming that Donald Fouke really did see Zodiac on the night that Paul Stine was murdered, he said that Arthur Leigh Allen was 100 pounds heavier than Zodiac. That doesn’t really fit with Richard Marshall.

That pic of Marshall is from an article in August 1972. Witnesses have said he gained a lot of weight after the Stine murder in 1969.

This looks like a slimmer Marshall to me.

See "gained considerable weight" below

Grandson complained about Marshall and then was found dead in an alleged drowning accident.

WA6JDJ RICHARD R. MARSHALL. 841 ALMADEN AV.SAN JOSE 95110
https://archive.org/stream/Summer_1965_ … 6_djvu.txt
G RICHARD R MARSHALL, 841 ALMADEN AV, SAN JOSE 95110
https://archive.org/stream/Summer_1968_ … 6_djvu.txt

Who is the killer behind the pompous preamble “This is the Zodiac Speaking”?

Marshall is still lying about his age. He was born Joe Don Dickey on 13 March 1926 which makes him 42 years old in 1968. (Zodiac sent a letter on his 45th birthday). Marshall said he served in WW2 and the Korean war.

If Magaeu said his name was "Richard" then why hasn’t he been questioned about Richard Marshall? Darlene Ferrin was a regular visitor to San Francisco before she was killed. Was her husband who lived near to Marshall in San Francisco ever questioned about him? Jim Phillips/Crabtree?

"In Darlene’s address book they found the name Vaughn, the organist at the Avenue Theatre, and
police deduced that she had some connection to the theater but couldn’t put the pieces together." (The Most Dangerous Animal of All)

13 March 1971 – Vanishing Point released (trailer shown before release date)
13 March 1971 – Blue Meannies letter
13 March 1926 – Joe Don Dickey dob

"Dicky-bird, why do you sit Singing Willow, titwillow, titwillow’?"

Graysmith comes home to find that Melanie is unhappy about his television appearance. When Graysmith dismisses her fears, she asks, “Who’s been calling” in the middle of the night. Distracted by his hunt for the killer, he tells Melanie that Darlene’s sister is in jail and can identify Rick Marshall as the strange man at the “painting party.”

Is this true?

I was thinking today that IF VPD has actual Z DNA and IF they have actually loaded it to GEDMatch with no apparent results after two years, it might be worth mentioning that my suspect’s family is very wealthy and commissioned a full family tree in 2000. So nobody from that family would need Ancestry DNA or anything like that to figure out their roots back to the 1600s.

I was thinking today that IF VPD has actual Z DNA and IF they have actually loaded it to GEDMatch with no apparent results after two years, it might be worth mentioning that my suspect’s family is very wealthy and commissioned a full family tree in 2000. So nobody from that family would need Ancestry DNA or anything like that to figure out their roots back to the 1600s.

Maybe you can call ABC and ask them if they still have Kjell Qvale’s DNA information from that 1998 Primetime show. Either way, I bet him and every other Zodiac suspect will have relatives in GEDmatch because so many people are doing the ancestry thing.

https://youtu.be/ia_vGxvXOiU?t=2277

Marshall is still lying about his age. He was born Joe Don Dickey on 13 March 1926 which makes him 42 years old in 1968. (Zodiac sent a letter on his 45th birthday). Marshall said he served in WW2 and the Korean war.

Is this generally known? I’m wondering, IF LE has Zodiac DNA that is leading them towards the Dickey family, do they know Rick Marshall’s DNA would trace back to that origin too?

I was thinking today that IF VPD has actual Z DNA and IF they have actually loaded it to GEDMatch with no apparent results after two years, it might be worth mentioning that my suspect’s family is very wealthy and commissioned a full family tree in 2000. So nobody from that family would need Ancestry DNA or anything like that to figure out their roots back to the 1600s.

Maybe you can call ABC and ask them if they still have Kjell Qvale’s DNA information from that 1998 Primetime show. Either way, I bet him and every other Zodiac suspect will have relatives in GEDmatch because so many people are doing the ancestry thing.

https://youtu.be/ia_vGxvXOiU?t=2277

I would bet Bruce has done everything possible to eliminate the need for any Q family members to rely on GEDmatch or any of the other now common ancestry sites.

What does that mean?

What does that mean?

Nothing overly sinister…quite simply, I believe Bruce, being extremely protective of his father’s legacy, and by extension his own, would make sure the extended Qvale family would have access to the already mapped family tree.

No need to sign up for GEDmatch or AncestryDNA if you’ve already been provided an extensive family tree (and perhaps some sharing of the wealth to the less fortunate members of clan Qvale…sort of a quid pro Q, as it were?).

If you ask me, a little less legacy-protecting and a little more or a sense of justice for "certain victims" might suit him better. He may soon find that the dike has a few more holes in it than he had hoped for. Maybe by protecting one legacy he’ll tarnish another?

Genetic genealogy can’t be stopped by rich families. Somewhere in your family line, however distant or poor, if someone related to you enters their DNA data to a database and a connection is found, it’s all about building family trees (the rich and the poor relatives included)

We don’t even know if they have the Zodiac’s DNA. Heck, the FBI probably doesn’t know if they do have it. I’m surprised they can dismiss suspects based on what they have, unless it literally comes from the back of the stamps (and I say stamps in plural, because you’d want to make sure the DNA is consistent over many letters).

Hi,

You never could have worked with ABC News in 2002. Or SFPD’s lab for that matter. The backs of multiple stamps? Are you high? That would have been way too scientific!

I wonder if the whole DNA thing is nothing more than unless it matches Arthur Leigh Allen official investigators don’t have time for it.

In which case it probably didn’t match him. I mean even if it was a partial I think they would be keen to say "well its consistent with Arthur Leigh Allen, even if it is consistent with say another 30% of the population."

I sometimes wonder how much still revolves around ALA today? I mean there is a lot at stake here if it’s not ALA. Like a ton of work that put the focus on someone who probably wasn’t the Zodiac. He just isn’t matching the hard evidence no matter how we try to squeeze him in. Fingerprints, palm prints, DNA. Then the strong circumstantial like handwriting, linguistics, motive and composites. Most of it seems to be riding on how honest one thinks Don Cheney is.

Anyway back to what I was saying. Wouldn’t that be a bit of a disappointment if the only official interest in Zodiac DNA was it matching ALA? Labs don’t do stuff for free. They are hardly going to be putting lots of effort in Zodiac DNA genealogy if they can actually work cases at the moment instead and get paid for it.

Almost feels like we are being scammed. Where’s the beef? Didn’t they promise DNA like six months after May 2018 or something?

Didn’t they promise DNA like six months after May 2018 or something?

That "quote" came from Detective Poyser…at the time he was planning on being retired in six months and was hopeful the case could get closed by that time.