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traveller1st
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My feelings as well smithy on several points.


I don’t know Chief, he’s very smart or very dumb.

 
Posted : October 2, 2013 2:24 pm
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Great minds and all that, Trav.
Also seems to me that there might have been construction still going on, at the time. The roads (and little roundabouts) at the right don’t have any houses around them. The similar roads at the bottom have "activity" going on around them, but those aren’t finished houses. So was construction going on, during the period? (He’s compulsive enough to have drawn them in if they were finished I think, as he did other features on the map which weren’t perhaps central to what he was doing.)
BTW yeah of course, it’s another construction worker. Always is. I bet he had paint on his watch, too….

Edit: Well, I finally watched the vid. I’m pleased I at least figured out that it was under construction, that area on his map.
So that’s supposed to be a strip mall? That’s odd. I’ll go read up on EAR/ONS – it’s a slow day…..

 
Posted : October 2, 2013 2:53 pm
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Found this very interesting. Please excuse the 2x post.
http://earonsgsk.proboards.com/thread/3 … rollTo=360

 
Posted : October 2, 2013 5:55 pm
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Smithy and Trav – Yes very interesting. Something is going on in this hand drawn map that is weird – like he is basing part of it on Lake Los Carneros and part on something else, potential construction or another area.

Map in Goleta/Santa Barbara County showing scene of murders of Dr. Offerman and Dr. Manning and scene of Domingo – Sanchez murders:

Above here how close in Goleta – Santa Barbara County the Offerman – Manning murder was to the Domingo – Sanchez murder. And the Domingo – Sanchez murder was just minutes from Gaviota Beach, the site of the 1963 Domingos – Edwards murder!

We have a killer here like the shark in "Jaws" – he is expressing terroritoriality.

The ONS is saying "I can kill where ever I want. I can kill someone, then come back to the exact same neighborhood, just a block away, and kill someone else, and you can’t stop me. Catch me if you can…but you can’t. I am too smart."

Very much like, IMO, to the first 3 Zodiac murders – similar close distances!

These are the two Goleta murder scenese and Lake Los Carneros.

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Posted : October 2, 2013 10:27 pm
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http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Detectives-Seek-Original-Night-Stalker-225912121.html

I see they are claiming the map is of a neighbourhood in Goleta. I looked but haven’t found it. The general layout around Lake Los Carneros Park seems to match generally but not any of the details on the map.

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This reminds me of the layouts/mini-replicas they would have in a model home when showing new houses.

When I was little, my Dad used to take us to new housing subdivisions and we’d walk through all the model homes. He used to say it motivated him.

They would have on a big table, a miniature community. An aerial view just like the sketch. There would be streets, houses (like little monopoly pieces), trees, etc.

The detail…the box shapes on top of the buildings (a/c units?), the detail of the roads in the upper-left hand corner. This is very precise to a specific community.

This got me wondering if the EAR had access to something like this long enough to sketch it out? Maybe even a security guard watching over the model homes?

When you consider he could have been involved in (new?) construction, painting new model homes, etc., this would make sense…he was there involved…wherever this was. I don’t think the Goleta location is the right one.


…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep. L.A. Times, 1969

 
Posted : October 15, 2013 7:56 am
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I’m almost finished reading the book on this case ‘Sudden Terror’. Just because the suspect may have left pain specks/chips/traces at a few crime scenes doesn’t mean he ever worked on these shopping centers! The guy could’ve been an artist (might explain how he seemed to have so much time stalking and spending all evening and night doing his thing), worked in a auto body shop, painted houses, etc. Maybe they have a lot more info than they’re releasing but seems like they just looked into building permits issued around that time frame. Either way, i really hope they solve this string of crimes.

 
Posted : November 19, 2013 10:25 am
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I’m almost finished reading the book on this case ‘Sudden Terror’. Just because the suspect may have left pain specks/chips/traces at a few crime scenes doesn’t mean he ever worked on these shopping centers! The guy could’ve been an artist (might explain how he seemed to have so much time stalking and spending all evening and night doing his thing), worked in a auto body shop, painted houses, etc. Maybe they have a lot more info than they’re releasing but seems like they just looked into building permits issued around that time frame. Either way, i really hope they solve this string of crimes.

This makes me wonder about the type of paint they found. Wouldn’t they be able to tell if it was auto body paint vs. house paint, etc?


…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep. L.A. Times, 1969

 
Posted : November 19, 2013 12:20 pm
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I’m almost finished reading the book on this case ‘Sudden Terror’. Just because the suspect may have left pain specks/chips/traces at a few crime scenes doesn’t mean he ever worked on these shopping centers! The guy could’ve been an artist (might explain how he seemed to have so much time stalking and spending all evening and night doing his thing), worked in a auto body shop, painted houses, etc. Maybe they have a lot more info than they’re releasing but seems like they just looked into building permits issued around that time frame. Either way, i really hope they solve this string of crimes.

This makes me wonder about the type of paint they found. Wouldn’t they be able to tell if it was auto body paint vs. house paint, etc?

As far as I’ve read somewhere it was light blue color of a house, was it a hospital? They have already identified the constructing company of that building, which was constructed during that time (it still exists).

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Posted : November 19, 2013 1:26 pm
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Well, I’mm not saying that they can’t identify the type of paint. Its been a very long time but maybe they can even identify the brand of paint it was. I don’t know much about paint but i’d think basic interior or exterior paint for buildings is much more common than say auto paint. With the GRK, it was a very specific paint that was only used on the trucks, i believe. I do hope this is a very rare paint that only seems to match commercial buildings from around that time. I’ve never thought EAR would be found but i’m very happy to see that they are still investigating it like its high priority.

 
Posted : November 19, 2013 9:30 pm
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Every color can be id’d very easily as they all differ a bit, police does it regularly eg with car accidents.

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Posted : November 19, 2013 11:26 pm
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Yes, that can be done with car paint because the manufacturers need to provide the formula to auto repair/paint shops so that vehicles that only need a partial paint job can be matched. When it comes to commercial or residential paint it’s a different story. Many of those colors are custom and can’t be matched exactly.

Everything that I’ve read about the paint chips is that it is commercial or residential paint, not vehicle paint.

www.santarosahitchhikermurders.com

 
Posted : November 20, 2013 12:00 am
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Don’t you think they will use spectrometry to isolate the chemical componds and ID matching types .

 
Posted : November 20, 2013 12:46 am
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http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2015/11/ … ea-rapist/


…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep. L.A. Times, 1969

 
Posted : December 21, 2015 12:43 pm
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This is good news. I think the suspect list has to be rather small. How many men were actually in both Northern CA & Southern CA at the exact times of the attacks in both areas? Can’t be many. Then take those men and decipher what matches or does not match what is known about EARONS/GSK, and I think you wind up with a pretty small list

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Posted : December 22, 2015 1:16 am
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yeah, like which of them has done time in prison. For the Zodiac, maybe the guy never did any time, but for EAR/ONS I’d say that is nearly impossible.

 
Posted : December 22, 2015 9:52 am
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