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More than one of Zodiac's prints on the cab?

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Chaucer
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To my knowledge (and I appreciate others correcting me for the record) prints were left at Lake Berryessa (the palm print at the phone booth) and the Stine Murder (the bloody print). A palm print was found on the one or more of the letters. By last count there were 30 full or partial prints left by Zodiac which have been used to eliminate several suspects include ALA, Kane, and Ross Sullivan.

“Murder will out, this my conclusion.”
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Posted : May 17, 2020 8:28 am
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To my knowledge (and I appreciate others correcting me for the record) prints were left at Lake Berryessa (the palm print at the phone booth) and the Stine Murder (the bloody print). A palm print was found on the one or more of the letters. By last count there were 30 full or partial prints left by Zodiac which have been used to eliminate several suspects include ALA, Kane, and Ross Sullivan.

Thank you for the response. What I’m looking for is fingerprints that are sufficient quality for my fingerprint expert to compare against. I have fingerprints from my POI–the one I have been speaking to for a few months. I can raise the fingerprint lifts, but my experience with law enforcement out there is they won’t do the comparisons on forensic evidence. You gotta spoon-feed them. As an aside, I completely understand this. However, my expert has a reputation in the field that is enough to justify their taking a look if he says they should. The only thing I’m lacking is questioned fingerprints to compare against my knowns. The versions of the Stine lifts that I’ve seen online are of poor quality for comparison purposes.

 
Posted : May 17, 2020 6:49 pm
Chaucer
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I don’t think Zodiac prints are in the public domain. I don’t know how you might get your hands on them. If you do, let me know. :)

“Murder will out, this my conclusion.”
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Posted : May 18, 2020 1:48 am
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There are decent-ish pics of the cab prints online if that’s what you mean.

 
Posted : May 18, 2020 2:02 am
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I don’t think any of the prints are the Zodiacs. How stupid would he be to leave prints, esp. if he was in the military? No one should be eliminated because their prints don’t match.

 
Posted : June 6, 2020 5:34 pm
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I don’t think any of the prints are the Zodiacs. How stupid would he be to leave prints, esp. if he was in the military? No one should be eliminated because their prints don’t match.

The Robbins kids who observed Z in and around the cab stated that Z was wiping down the cab with a rag, so why
would he take the time to do that if he was certain he had no prints on the cab ?

 
Posted : June 6, 2020 7:37 pm
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It’s been said that all the prints in this case are partials. So, even if they have Zodiac’s prints, they might not be sufficient to make a definite match.

 
Posted : June 6, 2020 9:18 pm
Richard Grinell
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Armond Pelissetti is on tape, stating he saw the blooded taxicab prints on the dividing panel between the driver side door and rear door as he ushered the kids back across the street. This means (assuming Pelissetti is telling the truth) that those blooded fingerprints weren’t deposited by any ambulance crew, reporters or errant wandering bystander, as people with suspects would like you to believe. Anybody who has a suspect with fingerprints on file, have set the default position to discrediting this partial fingerprint on the dividing panel, just in case it is able to eliminate their suspect from being the donor. Discredit this blooded fingerprint, by pouring doubt on its origin, and your suspect is kept in the frame.

Whether enough detail exists on this partial fingerprint to rule out people comprehensively, I don’t know. But just in case, discredit it first and you have no worries. Did you notice the two Napa bookstore videos got removed from Youtube just prior to September 27th 2018?

https://www.zodiacciphers.com/

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Posted : June 7, 2020 2:05 am
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NAPA bookstore videos ??

 
Posted : June 7, 2020 3:35 am
Richard Grinell
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Who’s book was released on this date and what do you think those videos said about the blooded prints?

https://www.zodiacciphers.com/

“I simply cannot accept that there are, on every story, two equal and logical sides to an argument.” Edward R. Murrow.

 
Posted : June 7, 2020 8:00 pm
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Who’s book was released on this date?

Hewitt’s?

 
Posted : June 7, 2020 11:25 pm
Richard Grinell
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Exactly

https://www.zodiacciphers.com/

“I simply cannot accept that there are, on every story, two equal and logical sides to an argument.” Edward R. Murrow.

 
Posted : June 7, 2020 11:33 pm
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Why would he be so worried about his prints that he wiped down the cab? He knew he was going to kill Stein. He would have planned ahead about the prints not wipe them down after. Maybe he was getting more blood on the shirt (rag) for affect. If he was in the military, as suspected, his prints would have shown up in military records by now. I just cannot rule someone out because their prints don’t match. Interesting, worthwhile but not conclusive.

 
Posted : June 12, 2020 11:50 am
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Does the print in the cab match prints found at other murder sites or phone booths? I guess if its just one finger print it might not as the same finger may not have left a print anywhere else.

 
Posted : June 12, 2020 5:46 pm
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Does the print in the cab match prints found at other murder sites or phone booths? I guess if its just one finger print it might not as the same finger may not have left a print anywhere else.

Nope. A different part of the hand. Palm print and fingerprints.

If they had matching prints from different crime scenes belonging to the same person, clearly would be no room for argument or doubt.

The fact they have never been able to match different prints from different crime scenes etc is why there is some reasonable doubt if the prints belong to Zodiac or not.

 
Posted : June 12, 2020 6:58 pm
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