Or the prints don’t match , because more than one killer was involved? When you look at the descriptions of the killer at lake Berryessa and two weeks later a much smaller Zodiac, no way could he shrink and become a smaller person, there had to be two.

The idea that two different 9 mil were used between Blue Rock Springs in July and another 9 mil for Paul Stine, also makes me believe there were two different killers working in tandem.

There is a discussion about that at Zkiller.com. It was said that it was not possible that there could be two Zodiac’s, one doing the writing and the other the killer, because at Lake Berryessa the killer also wrote on Hartnell’s car door? That doesn’t change anything in my mind, who is to say the one who wrote on the car door was the writer of most of the letters, but was also the killer at Lake Berryessa? The smaller one two weeks later gives the bloody pieces of Stine’s shirt to the larger one, who writes and sends the bloody pieces. That is possible isn’t it? It is also said that there were only one set of prints at Lake Berryessa? No way can that be, because there were several people there!

I also think that because there were two Zodiac’s ,is why the DNA is being re tested? Many yrs ago, there were people in LE who did believe there were two, not sure if they still believe that or not? I have good reason to believe at least two were connected in the murders and writings. It is something to at least be open to that idea and give it some thought.

I haven’t ruled out that there is more than one killer, working in tandem or a copycat (even a policeman in the second shooting).

The idea that there could be 2 different 9mm guns does nothing to indicate 2 different killers. What a ridiculous statement Sandy.

The idea that there could be 2 different 9mm guns does nothing to indicate 2 different killers. What a ridiculous statement Sandy.

It wasn’t just about two different 9 mil, there are many reasons why I believe there were two. Why is your brain stuck on just the two same mil guns? I think that is ridiculous!

How much "daily"effort have you brought to the table besides criticising what someone thinks?

The idea that there could be 2 different 9mm guns does nothing to indicate 2 different killers. What a ridiculous statement Sandy.

i agree, but its just a fact you could not set one or more killers about the guns used, but if there was a single murder or what i preffer much, its the same guy in this 2 events, he have access to many weapons. I bealive its a deception game so he should never use twice the same gun, or knife, as i dont care about the victim count, could be altered to force a pseudo-alibi by the asuption that not claimed killing should not take in count and claimed event not related to him were considered making much confuse in a case where zodiac deliberate left evidence as caising shell (never take them or use a revolver, then use it to confirm a claim, for example). For me based in the rest of the modus operandi (execpt lake berriesa, take it off) i dont see why he should repeat the same gun if he could.

The idea that there could be 2 different 9mm guns does nothing to indicate 2 different killers. What a ridiculous statement Sandy.

I know you’re new here, but we are able to disagree with each other without resorting to being twats. Sandy is a long time researcher, and whether you agree with her conclusions or not, I think she’s owed a bit more respect.

Re-iterating what Chaucer said!!!

Play nice here.

The opposite obfuscates productive research.

BTW… I think a theory of more than one writer/participant holds water.

The idea that there could be 2 different 9mm guns does nothing to indicate 2 different killers. What a ridiculous statement Sandy.

I know you’re new here, but we are able to disagree with each other without resorting being twats. Sandy is a long time researcher, and whether you agree with her conclusions or not, I think she’s owed a bit more respect.

DITTO!

Thank you Chaucer, InBonusFides and Margie! Most killers use the same caliber gun, The idea that two of the same caliber were used and two totally different descriptions for the killer in each of those crimes, seems logical. I am not the only one who believes that, some in LE also believe there were two. Ken Narlow felt the reason Zodiac wore a costume at Lake Berryessa, was because that murder was filmed. Snuff films bring in thousands of dollars (One was filming it and the other doing the stabbing.) The victims were on their stomachs and wouldn’t have been able to see a second person who was at a distance. He could also have been a look out?

Thank you Chaucer, InBonusFides and Margie! Most killers use the same caliber gun, The idea that two of the same caliber were used and two totally different descriptions for the killer in each of those crimes, seems logical. I am not the only one who believes that, some in LE also believe there were two. Ken Narlow felt the reason Zodiac wore a costume at Lake Berryessa, was because that murder was filmed. Snuff films bring in thousands of dollars (One was filming it and the other doing the stabbing.) The victims were on their stomachs and wouldn’t have been able to see a second person who was at a distance. He could also have been a look out?

as a asuption is good, but just an asuption. Zodiac is liklely a deception operation ever much than a serial killer, i mean, its like the claim victim, only stain as far we know provide physic evidence of evidence, the info in previus letters could or couldnot be substracted by police info (im not pointing that letter werent from the killer, im saying you cant validate it, could be strong path for invetigation but its not a fact.

i also think lake berriesa is a really good chance to film or at least take photos from the event. But i still think that lake berriesa could not be the previus zodiac, but that comment is quiet interesting but i never see none go so far about it.

Thank you Chaucer, InBonusFides and Margie! Most killers use the same caliber gun, The idea that two of the same caliber were used and two totally different descriptions for the killer in each of those crimes, seems logical. I am not the only one who believes that, some in LE also believe there were two. Ken Narlow felt the reason Zodiac wore a costume at Lake Berryessa, was because that murder was filmed. Snuff films bring in thousands of dollars (One was filming it and the other doing the stabbing.) The victims were on their stomachs and wouldn’t have been able to see a second person who was at a distance. He could also have been a look out?

I was born in 1977, but I remember that my uncle bought a video camera in the 80s. It was HUGE…looked almost like a TV camera. He had to prop it on his shoulder. What was camera tech like in 1969? Would someone be able to film a snuff film outdoors and conceal a camera like that? I have no idea.

The idea that two different 9 mil were used between Blue Rock Springs in July and another 9 mil for Paul Stine, also makes me believe there were two different killers working in tandem.

I wouldn’t discount that as a possibility. However, 2 different guns could also mean that one killer just disposed of the guns after each crime. It’s hard to say. Ray Grant thinks there were four people working in tandem, so who knows? If there were two people at Berryessa, wouldn’t we expect to find two sets of footprints? I have never been to the murder site. For those who have, is it large enough for police to have missed two sets of footprints left by even two persons making ingress and egress from different sides of Zodiac Island?

There were small 8mm film cameras that ran on batteries. They usually had holes for tripod mounts. I vaguely recall reading something about tripod marks in the dirt years ago, but I don’t know if that was true.

I vaguely recall reading something about tripod marks in the dirt years ago, but I don’t know if that was true.

Absolutely not.