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Dick Lonergan's alleged Sullivan Alibi

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(@tomvoigt)
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I have a report with his name, that’s how I knew he existed. It was handwritten along with another name and some notes. Don’t know who wrote it, though.

 
Posted : March 24, 2019 12:15 am
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idk if it matters but didnt they get a call from a mental facility who was claiming to be the zodiac

 
Posted : March 25, 2019 3:36 am
CuriousCat
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idk if it matters but didnt they get a call from a mental facility who was claiming to be the zodiac

Yes, but they know who it was and it wasn’t Sullivan.

 
Posted : March 25, 2019 4:26 am
Paul_Averly
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I have a report with his name, that’s how I knew he existed. It was handwritten along with another name and some notes. Don’t know who wrote it, though.

There were mentions of Ross on message boards 20 years ago that are still posted today, but they all had to do with CJB and Riverside. The first time you heard of Ross was from Napa?

There are major issues with this claim. As pointed out, you never mentioned Ross being locked up on any board from the past 20 years. When interviewed directly about Ross in the Ratter article you said he was "a vetted suspect." When the History channel show aired, you posted "I was told by LE he is a non-factor." This is VERY different than the Napa-alibi claim.

On top of all that, this claim also establishes that Napa knew about Ross so well that the officer remembered looking into him. However, both Napa and Vallejo have no suspect profile or notes regarding Ross. If Lonergan was so thorough to verify Ross was locked up and even remember him after 30 years, he just simply failed to write a report?

Morf: a good contact I had in Napa County about 4 years ago, and he could not even find Ross Sullivan in the Suspect reports, on the list of ruled out POI’s or ones that were still considered POI’s. Vallejo as well did not have him"

-Ross also failed to show up in the DOJ files.
-Dave Peterson never found a connection to Napa, even with him being a reporter from the area.

The only real mention of an alibi from the past 20 years, was from Howard Davis and that regards RIVERSIDE.
viewtopic.php?f=106&t=2293&start=20

Wouldn’t Howard Davis be a person who would also know this Ross locked up in Napa story? Why no mention from him?

 
Posted : March 25, 2019 6:20 am
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"The first time you heard of Ross was from Napa?"

I learned the name "Ross Sullivan" because it was scrawled on a copy of a police report I already had collected by the time I met with Lonergan. Other stuff was scrawled as well, not sure who wrote on it. The report was between NCSD and RPD regarding a possible connection between their cases. I didn’t even have a message board until a few years after I learned Ross was ruled out as Zodiac, but I may have posted info at the old Deja News forum, which is now a part of Google Groups, I believe.

 
Posted : March 25, 2019 8:29 am
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"Wouldn’t Howard Davis be a person who would also know this Ross locked up in Napa story?"

Howard wasn’t with me when I met with Lonergan.

The funny thing is, all of the reports and crime scene pics Lonergan gave me access to, if I hadn’t shared them, people would have said I was lying. Maybe one day I’ll get the benefit of the doubt, but I won’t hold my breath.

Anyone can ask Howard if they want to.

 
Posted : March 25, 2019 8:32 am
Paul_Averly
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Maybe one day I’ll get the benefit of the doubt, but I won’t hold my breath.

It’s quite a big leap to just say a suspect is eliminated just because someone on a different message board writes something with not much to back it up.

I understand you have access to reports most don’t, but still seems like this information doesn’t jive with what we have learned.

Please post any scans of any documents related to this, and maybe we can try to verify all of it.

 
Posted : March 25, 2019 8:06 pm
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Tom is the leading civilian expert on the Zodiac case – I take him at his word.

 
Posted : March 25, 2019 8:19 pm
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Tom is the leading civilian expert on the Zodiac case – I take him at his word.

Thank you for that.

I was done with Ross in late 1998, so I don’t quite get why anyone would think it significant that I didn’t post more about him lol.

 
Posted : March 25, 2019 9:26 pm
Chaucer
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Why are some of you upset that Sullivan is eliminated as a suspect? This is a good thing. It means that we can focus our time and energy elsewhere.

Stop treating this as if someone personally offended you.

“Murder will out, this my conclusion.”
– Geoffrey Chaucer

 
Posted : March 25, 2019 10:04 pm
Paul_Averly
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Who would ever question a story that keeps changing and doesn’t add up?

Before is was: "Sullivan had been ruled out. I believe he said it was via fingerprints."
Now changed to: Ross was locked up on a specific day…

Researchers in 1998 didn’t know anything close to what we know about Ross and have gathered on this site in the past 5 years.
Funny thing is that we DID find evidence Ross was locked up, but that was after 1970. No one questions that Ross was in and out of mental facilities.

However, in 2019, this new claim comes out that Ross was locked up for LB, and it wasn’t even mentioned here, on the site that covers Ross the most.
A member here pointed it out, and we simply ask for proof.

Provide documentation, or at the very least, proof that this information was posted to any board in the past 25 years as was also claimed.
The story has already changed a few times on the very thread….

 
Posted : March 25, 2019 11:35 pm
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The story has changed?

I have already explained that late last year I reviewed all of my old material from 1998 in preparation for my first podcast. It’s called a refreshed memory, but think what you want.

 
Posted : March 26, 2019 1:06 am
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According to a trusted source, police disqualified Sullivan as a Zodiac suspect because either his whereabouts were confirmed or his freedom was confirmed to have been significantly restricted on a known date of Zodiac activity. Whether that date was the day of the Lake Berryessa attack or which facility he was verified by police to have resided in shouldn’t really matter. Obviously Sullivan was not a prisoner so if the intel was just that he was a patient at a come-and-go-as-you-please facility at that time that would not be proof of his movements. If Sullivan had access to a car or motorcycle or the facility was near the location of the known Zodiac activity in question it would just prompt further inquiries. In that situation I would assume that the Police would have confirmed that he did not have a car or that restrictions imposed by the facility ensured that Sullivan did not have the means to commit the Zodiac activity known to have occurred on that day – otherwise his residency is a mere factoid. Of course no one is infallible but in my opinion the intel would not have been relayed to Tom as an alibi if his source was not satisfied that it eliminated Sullivan as a Zodiac suspect. If you choose to believe the police were inept in their investigation of Sullivan or dishonest in their exchange with Tom or that Tom has not been sincerely trying to learn the identity of the Zodiac killer for the last twenty years that of course is up to you. I do apologize however for the length and tediousness of this post!

 
Posted : March 26, 2019 2:11 am
Paul_Averly
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Whether that date was the day of the Lake Berryessa attack or which facility he was verified by police to have resided in shouldn’t really matter.

So the date he was locked up doesn’t matter? And we can safely clear him as being Z based on that?
Being locked up in 1964 would clear him for a crime that occurred in 1969?

The claim is not just any date, but the day of the LB attack. This is very specific.
You guys can go round and round all you want, but until we see some documents that confirm any of this, no one is going to buy it.

 
Posted : March 26, 2019 2:25 am
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According to me it doesn’t matter because a law enforcement official apparently considered that the information excluded Sullivan as a Zodiac suspect.

 
Posted : March 26, 2019 2:27 am
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