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Paul_Averly
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Always open to any documents that backs it up.

This also wasn’t mentioned 1 year ago, then claimed fingerprints:

In 1998 I was told by the Napa County Undersheriff that Sullivan had been ruled out. I believe he said it was via fingerprints. Perhaps Toschi got them compared afterall. Maybe not.

http://www.zodiackillersite.com/viewtop … &start=300

As it stands, there are two possibilities.

1) Napa had no knowledge of Ross, as mentioned by Morf here:
http://www.zodiackillersite.com/viewtop … &start=310

2) Napa dug into, and cleared a vague person from Riverside, a decade before Dave Peterson put him on the Radar, and RPD seemed to blow off in 1966.

Feels like a stretch.

 
Posted : February 24, 2019 8:14 am
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Well, there’s also a third possibility:

*Riverside and Napa County were discussing their unsolved cases in October 1969 (verifiable factoid)
*Sullivan’s name came up because of the suspicious librarians
*Napa County checked him out in relation to their homicide of September 1969
*He had an alibi
*The under sheriff told me about it in 1998 when I asked about a name that had been hand written on a copy of a police report I had
*I wrote off Ross and put him out of my mind…
*…until I started putting my podcast together late last year and closely reviewed my 1998 materials

 
Posted : February 24, 2019 8:24 am
Paul_Averly
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That’s all speculation, and there is nothing wrong with that. It’s just all hear say.

I’m just trying to clarify, because it went from:

"I believe the Napa County SD also looked at Ross."
to
"I believe he said it was via fingerprints"
to
"If memory serves, it turned out Ross was in a mental facility "

Now it’s notes?

Wouldn’t that make the "memory serves," read better as "according to my notes" ?

Unrelated, Jon Sullivan said Ross was locked up mental facility, but there is evidence that happened after 1970.

Why wouldn’t Ross be listed as cleared at Napa? Wouldn’t Napa document that for future investigators?
If they put the time in to clear him, least they could do is list him on the suspects cleared list…

 
Posted : February 24, 2019 9:28 am
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How many times do I need to explain that Ross was not on my mind for almost two decades until I started doing podcasts late last year and I finally focused on my 1998 materials?

 
Posted : February 24, 2019 9:31 am
Paul_Averly
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So this is a memory? Or a physical note from 1998?

A day ago you wrote:
"My memory about 1998 is better today as I’ve been going over all of my old materials for my podcasts etc."

This would imply, a memory.

 
Posted : February 24, 2019 9:47 am
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It would imply that my memory was boosted by an outside source, vis-à-vis the materials I mentioned.

 
Posted : February 24, 2019 9:54 am
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That’s all speculation, and there is nothing wrong with that. It’s just all hear say.

I’m just trying to clarify, because it went from:

"I believe the Napa County SD also looked at Ross."
to
"I believe he said it was via fingerprints"
to
"If memory serves, it turned out Ross was in a mental facility "

Now it’s notes?

Wouldn’t that make the "memory serves," read better as "according to my notes" ?

Unrelated, Jon Sullivan said Ross was locked up mental facility, but there is evidence that happened after 1970.

Why wouldn’t Ross be listed as cleared at Napa? Wouldn’t Napa document that for future investigators?
If they put the time in to clear him, least they could do is list him on the suspects cleared list…

Hmmm well I think it’s safe to say all else aside, the waters have now been muddied beyond repair.

 
Posted : February 24, 2019 4:06 pm
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Being told a suspect was locked up in an insane asylum on an exact date is very specific.

There was a report of Ross in an insane asylum, but it was from Jon Sullivan for one of the Ratter articles (no longer online).
"Ratter reporters interview with Ross’s brother, Ross was by his memory in a Santa Clara insane asylum during the zodiac killings"

Jon was not in CA at the time. The PI also managed to dig up that info, but it seemed to point to Ross going to Agnews after 1970.

 
Posted : February 24, 2019 11:04 pm
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I’m sorry, call me a fanboy but, if anything, this information makes Ross seem more guilty to me.

This information basically confirms he was a patient at Napa State Hospital during the murders. We already knew, via Gerald Katz, that Ross murdered and/or wrote letters in between stays at the hospitals or on his various leaves. We always said that if we could confirm him a patient at the hospital during this period it would link him to all of the crimes (Vallejo and Lake Berryessa which both fall on opposite ends of the Napa-Vallejo Highway to and from the Hospital). He had a brother who lived in San Francisco during the summer of 1969, so that would explain why he sent letters from there and shot the cab driver there). Him at the Napa State Hospital would allow us to place him near all the murders. We know that Ross was arrested in July 1969 in Los Angeles for public drunkenness and disorderly, so he had to have been let out sometimes. If this info is true, Ross was a patient in Napa.

We would just have to learn when he had leaves, or was allowed to leave, etc.

 
Posted : February 24, 2019 11:32 pm
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Hmmm well I think it’s safe to say all else aside, the waters have now been muddied beyond repair.

Not if you read my recent comments and don’t try to twist them by using old quotes from long after I had forgotten what I had been told about Ross.

And I already know that if I post my old notes and other materials, those who don’t want it to be true will just say it was photoshopped etc.

 
Posted : February 25, 2019 12:01 am
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4 Days ago:

I know I’ve told that story numerous times over the years. It’s nothing new. Maybe at the old deja news forum?

Just pointing out that I can’t find a single mention is this anywhere on the web from the past 20+ years of archived posts.

The closest thing mentioning Ross being locked up would be the Ratter article, and the mention was from Jon S.

The confusion might be that Napa did look into Griffin Raymond, and this is verifiable.
http://www.zodiackiller.com/LBReport14.html

 
Posted : February 25, 2019 1:20 am
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We know that Ross was arrested in July 1969 in Los Angeles for public drunkenness and disorderly,

We have a rumor of that. No one has found the report.

I do think that patients could leave Napa State Hospital, it was not a prison.
Agnews on the other hand, was more of a lockdown situation.

I agree, proving Ross was at Napa State, would put him too close to ignore.

 
Posted : February 25, 2019 1:24 am
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We know that Ross was arrested in July 1969 in Los Angeles for public drunkenness and disorderly,

We have a rumor of that. No one has found the report.

I do think that patients could leave Napa State Hospital, it was not a prison.
Agnews on the other hand, was more of a lockdown situation.

I agree, proving Ross was at Napa State, would put him too close to ignore.

This rumor though came from the same report that had Ross arrested in Santa Cruz in 1968 which we did confirm through a newspaper article.

 
Posted : February 25, 2019 6:43 am
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No, a private citizen. His name is floating around here somewhere.

His name is Phil SIns, there’s a thread around here someplace from an interview I did with him

There is more than one way to lose your life to a killer

http://www.zodiackillersite.com/
http://zodiackillersite.blogspot.com/
https://twitter.com/Morf13ZKS

 
Posted : March 23, 2019 4:42 pm
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4 Days ago:

I know I’ve told that story numerous times over the years. It’s nothing new. Maybe at the old deja news forum?

Just pointing out that I can’t find a single mention is this anywhere on the web from the past 20+ years of archived posts.

The closest thing mentioning Ross being locked up would be the Ratter article, and the mention was from Jon S.

The confusion might be that Napa did look into Griffin Raymond, and this is verifiable.
http://www.zodiackiller.com/LBReport14.html

Respectfully, until I see something in black and white stating Ross had an alibi for the day of the Berryessa murders, I’ll have to take it with a grain of salt. And if he is being talked about as having an alibi, then that seems to put him in the SF Bay area. I have a whole lot of Napa reports, and NONE of them mention Ross Sullivan’s name

There is more than one way to lose your life to a killer

http://www.zodiackillersite.com/
http://zodiackillersite.blogspot.com/
https://twitter.com/Morf13ZKS

 
Posted : March 23, 2019 4:45 pm
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