I have the report but no idea where in storage it is. If you want it, I’d ask Howard.
I have the report but no idea where in storage it is. If you want it, I’d ask Howard.
February 2018, which was eight months before I started preparing for the first episode of Murder Basement and reviewing my info from 1998.
In Oct. 2018 (5 months ago) you had this report and now it’s in storage with no way to locate it?
I have the report but no idea where in storage it is. If you want it, I’d ask Howard.
February 2018, which was eight months before I started preparing for the first episode of Murder Basement and reviewing my info from 1998.
In Oct. 2018 (5 months ago) you had this report and now it’s in storage with no way to locate it?
What are you talking about? I never said I had it five months ago. I haven’t seen it in years.
I’m sure I posted more than just that about Ross being eliminated. Now I’m curious. I’ll search tomorrow.
Morf, I know you were in touch with Ken Narlow, didn’t you ever ask him about Ross? He would have remembered that Ross got looked at, I would think.
I remember vividly Lonergan’s reaction when I mentioned Ross, he stood up shaking his head and immediately began tucking the back of his shirt in. I remember that detail because a boss of mine used to do the exact same thing when he would stand up from his desk.
I talked to him before I went back to re-look at suspects including Ross. We did talk about a few names in the reports, Ross wasn’t one of them
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This claim about Ross being locked up on the LB date is bogus, and we will never see anything to back it up because it is fabricated. Simple as that.
Just because you don’t want the info to be true, doesn’t make bogus.
The goal should be finding the killer, not waving the banner of a favored suspect.
As I said, I trust documented reports over memories (I know my memory isn’t what it used to be)…but seeing is believing
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This claim about Ross being locked up on the LB date is bogus, and we will never see anything to back it up because it is fabricated. Simple as that.
Just because you don’t want the info to be true, doesn’t make bogus.
The goal should be finding the killer, not waving the banner of a favored suspect.
As I said, I trust documented reports over memories (I know my memory isn’t what it used to be)…but seeing is believing
I usually would as well, but I did document my conversation. I used to use a red sharpie and a spiral notebook. I also used to print out all of my e-mail because I didn’t know how to make a text file.
I’m not going to upload scans of my handwriting to "prove" what someone could just claim I created today, faked it, or of course, that Lonergan was mistaken, had Ross confused with someone else, etc. (Which might have been possible although it didn’t seem like it.)
As I said, I trust documented reports over memories (I know my memory isn’t what it used to be)…but seeing is believing
Don’t mean to come off as demanding, but we need more proof than just hearsay.
This report shows that Napa and RPD were compairing prints lifted from both scenes, nothing about lists of suspects.
http://zodiackiller.com/RiversideMemo3.html
And that’s the issue. Did Napa really investigate all the suspects tied to the CJB case? A list that might have numbered in the hundreds.
(What was Bob Barnett’s Alibi for LB?)
If this investigation did happen, and they managed to so thoroughly find Ross and verify where he was on a specific date, why is there no reference of that today?
However, there is one more tantalizing aspect to this. Many of us have suspected Ross spent time at Napa State Hospital. If reports from Napa can verify this, even with the possibility he was there on the LB date, it would still place Ross in the middle of more Z crime locations.
He must at the very least be Z’s shadow. RCC Library, a connection to CJB, a connection to SF in 1969, and now a stay in a hospital in the middle of LHR, BRS and LB, with a possibility his stay was summer ’69….
Too many coincidences to ignore.
Has anyone used Classmates.com to get info from people who knew Ross? Every high school has its own discussion forum sorted by year graduated. At least it used to be that way. Back in 2001 I used it a ton. I think they also have that feature for colleges.
Has anyone used Classmates.com to get info from people who knew Ross? Every high school has its own discussion forum sorted by year graduated. At least it used to be that way. Back in 2001 I used it a ton. I think they also have that feature for colleges.
I reached out to several classmates
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As I said, I trust documented reports over memories (I know my memory isn’t what it used to be)…but seeing is believing
Don’t mean to come off as demanding, but we need more proof than just hearsay.
This report shows that Napa and RPD were compairing prints lifted from both scenes, nothing about lists of suspects.
http://zodiackiller.com/RiversideMemo3.htmlAnd that’s the issue. Did Napa really investigate all the suspects tied to the CJB case? A list that might have numbered in the hundreds.
(What was Bob Barnett’s Alibi for LB?)If this investigation did happen, and they managed to so thoroughly find Ross and verify where he was on a specific date, why is there no reference of that today?
However, there is one more tantalizing aspect to this. Many of us have suspected Ross spent time at Napa State Hospital. If reports from Napa can verify this, even with the possibility he was there on the LB date, it would still place Ross in the middle of more Z crime locations.
He must at the very least be Z’s shadow. RCC Library, a connection to CJB, a connection to SF in 1969, and now a stay in a hospital in the middle of LHR, BRS and LB, with a possibility his stay was summer ’69….
Too many coincidences to ignore.
Is this verified?
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He must at the very least be Z’s shadow. RCC Library, a connection to CJB, a connection to SF in 1969, and now a stay in a hospital in the middle of LHR, BRS and LB, with a possibility his stay was summer ’69….
Too many coincidences to ignore.Is this verified?
No, but it seems to be part of Tom’s claim.
Napa Sheriff Department doesn’t have access to all mental hospitals in CA. But they could easily check out Napa State Hospital.
This report shows that Napa Sheriffs did have a relationship with Napa State Hospital, and would check out suspects there.
http://www.zodiackiller.com/LBReport14.html
So I take this to mean 2 options,
1) Bogus claim,
or 2) Ross was in Napa State Hospital, summer ’69.
(Locked up is not accurate, patients could leave a state hospital)
"Napa Sheriff Department doesn’t have access to all mental hospitals in CA."
Sure they did. Via other sheriff’s departments. They work together.
Has anyone used Classmates.com to get info from people who knew Ross? Every high school has its own discussion forum sorted by year graduated. At least it used to be that way. Back in 2001 I used it a ton. I think they also have that feature for colleges.
Why would you suggest this after spending the thread declaring Ross was cleared?
My overall question is this. We know 100% Ross had a
-connection to RCC Library,
-a connection to CJB,
-moved to Nor Cal before the Z crimes started
-a connection to SF in 1969
There is even more, but If we just add a stay in at Napa State Hospital (in the middle of LHR, BRS and LB) in the summer ’69,
how can anyone be comfortable ruling him out as a suspect?
Because Napa State Hospital is not in the middle of BRS, LH and LB, for example. Where is the info that Ross was at Napa State hospital, btw? Just to clarify, below are almost 30 comments from this board dealing with Napa State Hospital as well as Ross. Personally, I still can’t decide if
"We know Ross had a connection to Santa Cruz, and the odds would place him at Napa State Hospital at some point in time."
or
"Many of us have suspected Ross spent time at Napa State Hospital."
or
But Ross was rumored to live in SF (SF County), probably at Napa State Hospital (Napa County), and might have had a connection to Berkeley (Alameda County).
is actually the most USELESS comment on this issue (with all respect). It’s an interesting read – if you like phantasy books and fairy tales. And it’s funny to read, too, how fake news come into existence. Instead, there is absolutely no clue (or even fact) that Ross had ever been at Napa State Hospital.
Remember that in the original call, likely made be Eric Weil from the Napa State Hospital
I hope to see if we can get records for Ross, however I doubt.
Watching that Bob Dylan press conference, it’s not hard to imagine Weil winding up at Napa State Hospital.
..and he [Eric Weil] called from Napa State Hospital where he’d been "checked in" rumour has it, on 10/22/69..
My guess would be that Ross was sent from Santa Cruz to Napa State Hospital sometime in 1968.
If we find out that Ross was at Napa State Hospital, perhaps even as an outpatient driving there to and from Santa Cruz, between 1968 and 1970 then he’s your Zodiac.
If the SF part is true, and since we know Ross worked as a dishwasher, it might be logical to assume he dropped out of college, spent time in Napa State Hospital, then lived and worked at restaurants around SF.
The 170 Brown St. is also around the corner from Napa State Hospital.
In the LB police report there is a mention of a suspect from Napa State Hospital, this guy is not Ross, but Napa State Hospital is a place where Ross more than likely spent time in.
But Ross was rumored to live in SF (SF County), probably at Napa State Hospital (Napa County), and might have had a connection to Berkeley (Alameda County).
I would also bet the farm that Ross ended up in Napa State Hospital sometime in 1968.
Only "Imola", the Napa State Hospital, was ever talked about to the best of my memory.
We know Ross had a connection to Santa Cruz, and the odds would place him at Napa State Hospital at some point in time.
I’m not exactly sure what the classification was for Agnews but I do know that Napa State Hospital was primarily for the criminally insane, still is.
Given this knowledge, it would not surprise me if Ross spent some time in Napa State Hospital as well.
It would make a lot of sense that it was his arrest around 2/68, that sent him to Napa State Hospital (for a short say, or on and off treatment).
I don’t think it’s out of the question that Ross spent time in Napa state mental hospital as there were some skilled experts there that dealt with schizophrenia as the article here shows.
Yes the Napa/Vallejo connection is critical in solving this. I think, it’s Napa State hospital.
The doctor from Napa State Hospital, Dr. Jon Karllson, whom morf highlighted earlier, specialized in/researched this very topic.
It’s very possible he was at Napa State hospital.
The guy from Napa hospital has his name in the report, it’s shown as Griffin Raymond with the last name redacted.
He [Gaikowski] finally got help with his mental issues after being committed to the Napa State Hospital in March 1971.
If Ross was in Napa State Hospital, that just adds to evidence. Puts him right there at the time.
Him at the Napa State Hospital would allow us to place him near all the murders. We know that Ross was arrested in July 1969 in Los Angeles for public drunkenness and disorderly, so he had to have been let out sometimes. If this info is true, Ross was a patient in Napa.
I agree, proving Ross was at Napa State, would put him too close to ignore.
Many of us have suspected Ross spent time at Napa State Hospital.
Yeah…sure..I also post somehow stupid things sometimes (thus, no need to worry). Nevertheless I’d like to make the following statement:
Ross Sullivan was never closer to Vallejo than 20 miles. Please prove me wrong.
QT
*ZODIACHRONOLOGY*
Why would you suggest this after spending the thread declaring Ross was cleared?
For those who don’t believe me and want to continue with Ross Sullivan. Have at it.
