Yeah…sure..I also post somehow stupid things sometimes

Fully agree with you on that!

Remember, the claim of this thread is that RS was locked up at a mental hospital on the date of the LB attack. NO ONE EVER SAID WHAT HOSPITAL.
However, using deductive reasoning, and what we know about Ross, it would only make sense.

http://www.dsh.ca.gov/Hospitals/

-Notice from this list most of the hospitals are in SoCal. In fact only 2 are in NorCal. Sac and Napa.

-We know from RCC staff Ross bragged about being sent to Patton.
*Notice how Patton is close to Riverside, where Ross lived at the time.

-Ross was reported in a paper to be in Santa Cruz 1968, and was seen there by a witness in 1970, Died there in 1977. (Catz also said he was in SF and Santa Cruz around 1969)
*Did Ross go back to live in SoCal between 1968-77? Probably not. *Was he locked up long term before 1970? No.

-Using the list of Hospitals, after the 1968 Santa Cruz breakdown, what would be the most likely State Hospital RS was sent to.
*Answer: Napa would make the most sense.

-From the claim of the thread, NCS located Ross in a Mental Hospital.
*Would it not make even more sense this hospital was in NAPA ??????????????

What difference would it make if he was locked in a rubber room in Napa vs anywhere else in the state?

If he was there on a 72-hour hold, such as with Gaikowski, he wasn’t getting out during that time.

What difference would it make if he was locked in a rubber room in Napa vs anywhere else in the state?

If he was there on a 72-hour hold, such as with Gaikowski, he wasn’t getting out during that time.

I don’t believe it does makes a difference where Sullivan resided under supervision if LE concluded that he could not be Zodiac and implied that this supervised residency info was a factor in that deduction. Clearly the hospital residency info in of itself could not clear him, so they must have followed up and obtained more details that brought them to their assessment. Perhaps they learned that he did not possess a vehicle at that time or as you suggest Tom that he was under strict observation. Either the facility’s records must have verified Sullivan’s whereabouts or LE’s inquiries led them to believe that his situation would have restricted his opportunity to engage in a known Zodiac activity, such as the Lake Berryessa attack.

Yeah…sure..I also post somehow stupid things sometimes

Fully agree with you on that!

This time I agree because I previously had not mentioned that 50% of the postings were actually yours. Already had written so, then deleted to not name and blame you. Obviously that was stupid somehow. Pleasant to see that you now appear by yourself (so everybody can see who wrote most of those to me useless postings). I’m fine with that.

Remember, the claim of this thread is that RS was locked up at a mental hospital on the date of the LB attack. NO ONE EVER SAID WHAT HOSPITAL.
However, using deductive reasoning, and what we know about Ross, it would only make sense.

http://www.dsh.ca.gov/Hospitals/

-Notice from this list most of the hospitals are in SoCal. In fact only 2 are in NorCal. Sac and Napa.

What makes you think it was a State Hospital? Or a secured care-taking facility? There is more than 400 hospitals with more than 120 mental institutions/departments in California. I doubt there was only two mental institutions in SF Bay area that time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_h … California

-We know from RCC staff Ross bragged about being sent to Patton.
*Notice how Patton is close to Riverside, where Ross lived at the time.

Well, he was from that area….

-Using the list of Hospitals, after the 1968 Santa Cruz breakdown, what would be the most likely State Hospital RS was sent to.
*Answer: Napa would make the most sense.

Which 1968 Santa Cruz breakdown are you talking about.. not the fat guy in the phone booth, do you? Again, "most likely" and "would make the most sense" doesn’t help to place him there, imo. And IF he was there, hospitalized, then he wasn’t able to be at LB at the same time. So or so, RS is not the LB killer (at least don’t we have anything into that direction).

-From the claim of the thread, NCS located Ross in a Mental Hospital.

NCS? Whoever ‘located’ Ross there for sure did not come up with anything solid. He might have met him there, however. Many friendly people meet at mental institutions, every day. Straightjackets make it possible.

*Would it not make even more sense this hospital was in NAPA ??????????????

IF you look into 6 or 8 state hospitals only. IF he was hospitalized in NoCal. IF he was hospitalized at all. IF it was the Napa one. IF NCS was right about locating Ross in such a mental (not necessarily state..) hospital. IF RS was in Santa Cruz. IF he had a breakdown there in 1968. IF he ever was in the bay area at all – YES (and then he still couldn’t have been the LB killer).

My guess would be that Ross was sent from Santa Cruz to Napa State Hospital sometime in 1968.

If we find out that Ross was at Napa State Hospital..

..since we know Ross worked as a dishwasher, it might be logical to assume he dropped out of college, spent time in Napa State Hospital..

Ross was rumored to live in SF (SF County), probably at Napa State Hospital..

I would also bet the farm that Ross ended up in Napa State Hospital sometime in 1968.

(Paul_Averly)

(I like that one: ‘Working as a dishwasher’ = ‘Napa State Hospital’..)

BTW, "Pettibon Junction’ replied to your initial post in 2014:

Isn’t Atascadero a bit closer to Santa Cruz?

Let’s keep it friendly, believing or not. And keep your farm.

QT

NCS? Whoever ‘located’ Ross there for sure did not come up with anything solid. He might have met him there, however. Many friendly people meet at mental institutions, every day. Straightjackets make it possible.

Then you should take up your concerns about this with Tom.
-He’s the one who made the claim.
-That’s the entire point of this thread.
-Stop trying to derail this thread with endless ramblings.

Then you should take up your concerns about this with Tom.
-He’s the one who made the claim.
-That’s the entire point of this thread.
-Stop trying to derail this thread with endless ramblings.

Paul_Averly, I respect you as a long-term member but now trying to ‘expand’ this issue on other people is a bit low level, isn’t it? I am very fine with Tom and most, if not all of his statements.

There is no thread about ‘NCS’ providing any kind of information that RS had ever been in the hospital you wish he had been. Your theory is nonsense, at least as you won’t come up with something more solid.

You simply tried to ‘form‘ reality by spreading multiple times that RS had or most likely would have been a patient of Napa State Hospital. I had to intervene on that before everybody starts to believe that as being a fact (while I don’t see any indication for it, yet). With regard to what Z had done, to be honest, imo, this is absolutely immoral. I suggest instead of telling other people what to do or not to do ("Stop trying.." – you won’t tell me what to do), it might be a better idea to keep your ideas with yourself and think before posting a hundred times that RS ‘most likely’ etc. was at Napa State Hospital. Because so far, he simply wasn’t.

I wish I could continue this post to satisfy your need of ‘endless ramblings’ etc. but sorry, for me that one is closed.

QT

I’ll chime in. For me personally, I don’t accept or believe the claims about Lonergan clearing Ross without seeing proof of it. Again, seeing is believing and out of all the reports I have NONE of them mention Ross one way or another.
That being said, I furthermore don’t see any documentation about Ross being anywhere in any hospital one way or another in Napa, or Santa Cruz, Riverside or anyplace at any time. We know he was in and out of hospitals. Do we know where? Nope. Unless someone produces something in black and white, I am not buying it. QT, for someone who doesn’t think Ross was Z, you spend a lot of time in here. PaulAverly, I think you are jumping to conclusions about where Ross was or wasn’t and when

That’s why Classmates.com is a good resource, finding people who stayed in touch with him after high school.

To correct myself..RS could have been at Napa (and do I appreciate that idea Paul…same with looking into ‘American Canyon’ although being an ‘outsider’). It’d be nice to know if RS’s alibi was rock solid or not. Let’s keep it motivated, thanks Paul for the idea of RS potentially being at Napa State, which stll might be true. Thus, I hereby downgrade myself now as a true offer for friendship. One thing only (gotta mention that..): RS had died at Santa Cruz, too.

Classmates: Great ressource..wish they had the ’68 with Betty Lou memorial online..browsing yearbooks? Some of the best parts of these cases..love the girls’ haircuts…it has to be mentioned!

QT

That’s why Classmates.com is a good resource, finding people who stayed in touch with him after high school.

I could be wrong, but Ross doesn’t seem the type that would have stayed in touch with too many people after high school or had a whole lot of friends to begin with. The RCC library staff said he was pretty much a loner, I think. Classmates is a good resource, but a good percentage of those people are dead and gone by now. A couple guys, Allan Silliphant and Gerard Katz, provided some info on Sullivan, but other than that there are a lot of dead ends with him.

Morf, did you ever have any luck contacting any of the people that lived at the Santa Cruz address for Ross? I somewhat recall a story about a man that lived there saying Ross chased him with a knife or something along those lines.

My opinion on this thread is that I agree that Ross should not be ruled out as a suspect unless some kind of documentation that rules him out can be provided.

To correct myself..RS could have been at Napa (and do I appreciate that idea Paul…same with looking into ‘American Canyon’ although being an ‘outsider’). It’d be nice to know if RS’s alibi was rock solid or not. Let’s keep it motivated, thanks Paul for the idea of RS potentially being at Napa State, which stll might be true. Thus, I hereby downgrade myself now as a true offer for friendship. One thing only (gotta mention that..): RS had died at Santa Cruz, too.

Classmates: Great ressource..wish they had the ’68 with Betty Lou memorial online..browsing yearbooks? Some of the best parts of these cases..love the girls’ haircuts…it has to be mentioned!

QT

And some of the names that you will come across in those yearbooks are hilarious. Dick Nutter is one of the best ones.

Interesting thread.

One thing I have learned over the years…if you have a favored suspect, there isn’t a damn thing anyone can say to make you change your mind. It’s been said here, IF Ross was found to have been at Napa State, it would just bolster the evidence.

While in the institution, some could leave Napa State, some could not. Surely Ross would have been mentioned if he was on a weekend furlough. A weekend "pass" was given to Griffin, who doctors felt capable of committing such a horrific act. Go figure…

To correct myself..RS could have been at Napa (and do I appreciate that idea Paul…same with looking into ‘American Canyon’ although being an ‘outsider’). It’d be nice to know if RS’s alibi was rock solid or not. Let’s keep it motivated, thanks Paul for the idea of RS potentially being at Napa State, which stll might be true. Thus, I hereby downgrade myself now as a true offer for friendship. One thing only (gotta mention that..): RS had died at Santa Cruz, too.

Classmates: Great ressource..wish they had the ’68 with Betty Lou memorial online..browsing yearbooks? Some of the best parts of these cases..love the girls’ haircuts…it has to be mentioned!

QT

And some of the names that you will come across in those yearbooks are hilarious. Dick Nutter is one of the best ones.

I use to sort mail and you will see funny ones like that all the time. I think I actually sorted a letter that was intended for the real Ted Nugent.

To correct myself..RS could have been at Napa (and do I appreciate that idea Paul…same with looking into ‘American Canyon’ although being an ‘outsider’). It’d be nice to know if RS’s alibi was rock solid or not. Let’s keep it motivated, thanks Paul for the idea of RS potentially being at Napa State, which stll might be true. Thus, I hereby downgrade myself now as a true offer for friendship. One thing only (gotta mention that..): RS had died at Santa Cruz, too.
QT

No problem with anyone needing verification of any info, and no worries QT.

Here is what I think I have not made clear. For Ross to be Z, he needs a connection to Napa / Vallejo. This is putting the cart before the horse, but it is the missing link.

Ross is linked to Riverside and RCC, 100%
Ross is linked to NorCal 1968, 100%
Ross has a link to SF 1969, via his brother living there.
It even seems that he stayed in the bay area until 1977.

But Ross needs to be linked to Napa / Vallejo
*I never said we had proof Ross was in Napa.*

And that’s the part of all this that makes what Tom said all the more interesting. Did NCSD follow up on Ross because he was in Napa?
Considering the rumors of Ross and mental hospitals, and Napa State being a major one, this is not all that far fetched.
I have also suggested that Napa State would be in a position to place people like Ross in civilian jobs once he was released at places like Mare island naval shipyard. (Vallejo connection)

But NCSD might not have looked into him at all. That is why we need documents to back these things up. And we can’t get hospital records.

I’m not sure why someone has to be linked to Napa/Vallejo. I used to visit both in my younger years, but I don’t think anyone would "link" me to them.