what are you doing???you are arguing the same points to other nay-sayers
that i’m pointing out to you. when it comes to me, you are preaching to the choir!
i’m with you all the way and giving you and a few others on this site all the credit.
do me a favor, don’t argue both ends against the middle. thanks

I understand, but for me, I want to prove Ross was Z if he was, and it will take more than writing. That’s the only way this case gets solved

i certainly understand you would like to PROVE Ross was the Zodiac.
you have already said you will be satisfied in your own mind he was Z,
if you can make the Vallejo connection. that would certainly help.
and, i am not going to be surprised if that happens at some point.
but, then what? we are never going to PROVE anything on this site.
that will only happen if LE gets involved and that is unlikely at this time.
my threshold has already been reached with the S.S. application and
the earlier things. what i asked in my earlier post was, say what you
believe, and stick with it until something new changes your mind.
at this point i agree with PinkPanther, we don’t need a driver’s license
or proof of residence in S. Francisco to connect him to those crimes.
he easily could have been living at the Y and hanging out at the library.
Ross had no money! i feel very safe in saying that. and, what if Paul Stine
had been an accomplice for some of the earlier murders? there were some
very crazy people in S.Francisco at that time. but, hopefully with some hard work
and a little luck, you’ll be able to answer some of these questions.

and, my apologies, PinkPhantom.

i certainly understand you would like to PROVE Ross was the Zodiac.
you have already said you will be satisfied in your own mind he was Z,
if you can make the Vallejo connection. that would certainly help.
and, i am not going to be surprised if that happens at some point.
but, then what? we are never going to PROVE anything on this site.
that will only happen if LE gets involved and that is unlikely at this time.
my threshold has already been reached with the S.S. application and
the earlier things. what i asked in my earlier post was, say what you
believe, and stick with it until something new changes your mind.
at this point i agree with PinkPanther, we don’t need a driver’s license
or proof of residence in S. Francisco to connect him to those crimes.
he easily could have been living at the Y and hanging out at the library.
Ross had no money! i feel very safe in saying that. and, what if Paul Stine
had been an accomplice for some of the earlier murders? there were some
very crazy people in S.Francisco at that time. but, hopefully with some hard work
and a little luck, you’ll be able to answer some of these questions.

Well, the Good news is, i DO have contact with Law Enforcement in Napa & Vallejo that WILL take a closer look at Ross if we can prove a link to the area. There likely are more clues out there for Ross. People that knew him, worked with him,etc. Forms he filled out, rental agreements, job applications,state forms, who knows. We know that the DNA is out there in the form of his Brother. Who knows, maybe we find more of a smoking gun

well, there you go. thanks for sharing. there has to be some
of the forms, applications etc. that he filled out in his life
out there. it’s just finding them. as i said earlier, if he legally
rode a motorcycle in the 60’s, he would have most likely needed
a license for that. why don’t you ask LE to check that out?

well, there you go. thanks for sharing. there has to be some
of the forms, applications etc. that he filled out in his life
out there. it’s just finding them. as i said earlier, if he legally
rode a motorcycle in the 60’s, he would have most likely needed
a license for that. why don’t you ask LE to check that out?

That’s the rub, they are more open to checking out Ross and his licenses,etc AFTER he can be placed in the area. In fairness, if Ross wasn’t in the area,then he couldn’t be Z. The cops don’t want to go chasing leads on people we can’t place with certainty in the immediate area of the crimes. Katz stated Ross had lived at some point(s)in SF. We have not been able to verify when or where.

Thanks for looking Guys. We should point out,as with all of these SS applications, we don’t know for sure who filled these forms out, if it was the POI themselves, or not

Yup and also, Jo Ann Baily mentioned Ross having interest in practicing different handwriting styles. If this is true, and if Ross is Z, then we know Z is capable of changing his handwriting and can possibly utilize deceptive handwriting techniques to throw off investigators.

He probably experimented with different slant styles, variations in script, progressed or regressed spacing patterns between letters, etc etc etc

It is likely, if all above is true, that Ross’s personal handwriting script regularly used is different from his handwriting associated with the Zodiac/Zodiac letters.

and, my apologies, PinkPhantom.

Haha no worries it ain’t the first time I’ve been called PinkPanther

Thanks for looking Guys. We should point out,as with all of these SS applications, we don’t know for sure who filled these forms out, if it was the POI themselves, or not

Yup and also, Jo Ann Baily mentioned Ross having interest in practicing different handwriting styles. If this is true, and if Ross is Z, then we know Z is capable of changing his handwriting and can possibly utilize deceptive handwriting techniques to throw off investigators.

He probably experimented with different slant styles, variations in script, progressed or regressed spacing patterns between letters, etc etc etc

It is likely, if all above is true, that Ross’s personal handwriting script regularly used is different from his handwriting associated with the Zodiac/Zodiac letters.

I find it interesting that Ross is writing papers about disguising his writing at the same time the Bates letters are being mailed,

well, there you go. thanks for sharing. there has to be some
of the forms, applications etc. that he filled out in his life
out there. it’s just finding them. as i said earlier, if he legally
rode a motorcycle in the 60’s, he would have most likely needed
a license for that. why don’t you ask LE to check that out?

That’s the rub, they are more open to checking out Ross and his licenses,etc AFTER he can be placed in the area. In fairness, if Ross wasn’t in the area,then he couldn’t be Z. The cops don’t want to go chasing leads on people we can’t place with certainty in the immediate area of the crimes. Katz stated Ross had lived at some point(s)in SF. We have not been able to verify when or where.

as i have theorized on this site previously, it will be hard to prove he lived in S.F.,
if he was transitory. it seems almost a certainty he had little money. my wife stayed
at the Y some in the 60’s and stated she did have the privacy of her own small room.
so, it may be very difficult to find the evidence. all they need to do is run a check on
his S.S. number and check for a driver’s licence. i think that would answer some of their
questions and take the burden of proof off you. see if you can put a little friendly
pressure on them.

http://datab.us/4-W6g-Hbxcg#Zodiac suspect Ross Sullivan’s Handwriting

Did you make that video Ukspy? I really disagree with some of these comparisons, especially that "n", I think that is so WAAY off. Also the video’s way of transposing Ross’ characters onto Zodiac’s, either by digitally "retracing" them or just digitally coloring in the pixels to red, alters the construction of the characters by removing the pen strokes, so it actually hurts the comparison.

BUT I really do like the idea of laying out the comparisons in a video like this, it makes it very easy to follow what is harder to do on this thread, and especially just by description.

Did you make that video Ukspy? I really disagree with some of these comparisons, especially that "n", I think that is so WAAY off. Also the video’s way of transposing Ross’ characters onto Zodiac’s, either by digitally "retracing" them or just digitally coloring in the pixels to red, alters the construction of the characters by removing the pen strokes, so it actually hurts the comparison.

BUT I really do like the idea of laying out the comparisons in a video like this, it makes it very easy to follow what is harder to do on this thread, and especially just by description.

That’s what’s great about opinions, they don’t always match. I think the n is right on. This video was made by member, Paul_Averly

Did you make that video Ukspy? I really disagree with some of these comparisons, especially that "n", I think that is so WAAY off. Also the video’s way of transposing Ross’ characters onto Zodiac’s, either by digitally "retracing" them or just digitally coloring in the pixels to red, alters the construction of the characters by removing the pen strokes, so it actually hurts the comparison.

BUT I really do like the idea of laying out the comparisons in a video like this, it makes it very easy to follow what is harder to do on this thread, and especially just by description.

That’s what’s great about opinions, they don’t always match. I think the n is right on. This video was made by member, Paul_Averly

But it’s not actually "right on". That is only a portion of the "n"; there is a fold line or some kind of imperfection running through it, but it’s not where the "n" began.

Its a terrible generation sample of Ross’s writing from the 1950’s against a much clearer Zodiac sample, and despite that, it’s still close.