I guess he could have put three stamps or used different stamps, but the ones he used…he needed two.
He could have used 3 or 4 or even none, like the confession. But he just so happened to use the exact amount that later became a common trait of the Zodiac letters.
But as always, it’s explained away as a big coincidence! Just admit that if photos of the Bates letters with double postage appeared in the papers before 1969, you would claim he copied the double postage. I guess the Riverside writer was just concerned with proper postage….. but not for the confession letter.
The Confession later doesn’t appear to have been mailed. Not a concern.
The Bates letters that were handwritten were mailed. In order for them to get to their destination, they would need two stamps. Maybe you’d get a nice postman that would just deliver it anyway, but…that is just the way that goes. You’d have to ask Zodiac why he put more than needed postage.
What is silly about this Paul_A, is I am not even arguing the possibility of Zodiac having sent them, but I am saying there is a possibility he did not. There are reasonable justifications to consider Zodiac, but I also believe there are reasons it could have been someone else. It’s as simple as that.
“…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep.“ L.A. Times, 1969
I stand corrected. See how that works Paul? The confession letter had gone through a mail facility since it was postmarked. Doesn’t change my stance, but I bet that doesn’t surprise you.
“…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep.“ L.A. Times, 1969
So where does 14 pages leave us..right back to the only poi that can conclusive be tied to riverside and thats ross
That’s not true. Well, I guess it could be depending on what your definition of a "POI" is. Ross definitely was not the only Bates suspect. So why is he supposedly the only Zodiac suspect from Riverside?
There’s possibility, probability, and then there’s sheer nonsense. I for one would like the people who favor Ross as a suspect to get rid of that last one.
Why is a suspect from Riverside more suspicious than a suspect from any of the other places that Zodiac was equally, or more connected to?
Why is a suspect who is mentally ill more suspicious than one who isn’t when there is no factual basis to conclude he had the same mental illness as Zodiac, or that Zodiac even had one at all?
So where does 14 pages leave us..right back to the only poi that can conclusive be tied to riverside and thats ross
That’s not true. Well, I guess it could be depending on what your definition of a "POI" is. Ross definitely was not the only Bates suspect. So why is he supposedly the only Zodiac suspect from Riverside?
There’s possibility, probability, and then there’s sheer nonsense. I for one would like the people who favor Ross as a suspect to get rid of that last one.
Why is a suspect from Riverside more suspicious than a suspect from any of the other places that Zodiac was equally, or more connected to?
Why is a suspect who is mentally ill more suspicious than one who isn’t when there is no factual basis to conclude he had the same mental illness as Zodiac, or that Zodiac even had one at all?
If you think z is responsible for cjb than ross becomes viable..if you think riverside is ground zero of the z world then ross looks good…if not than not so much…i dont look at z as mentally ill either…he was the perfect pirate cause he aint been caught
Size 7 gloves
Size 10.5 shoe size.
Now gentleman unless Ross hand really small feet and hands for his size then he is not Zodiac.
Lets say Ross was jacked and was not 6.3 but 6.2 and weighed 240 not 300 pounds. Well his shoes and gloves still would be a lot larger than 10.5 and size 7 gloves.
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If there are disagreements i would love to hear them on the sizing.
Size 7 gloves
Size 10.5 shoe size.Now gentleman unless Ross hand really small feet and hands for his size then he is not Zodiac.
Lets say Ross was jacked and was not 6.3 but 6.2 and weighed 240 not 300 pounds. Well his shoes and gloves still would be a lot larger than 10.5 and size 7 gloves.
http://store.bbcomcdn.com/deploy/images … -chart.jpgIf there are disagreements i would love to hear them on the sizing.
Well, I love a good disqualifier, but I’m not sure if this one is it. While shoe size relatively increases as body mass increases, there are many deviations. I don’t like to use anecodotal evidence, but I’m 5’11, 165 and wear an 11.5. I’ve got friends bigger than me with smaller shoes, and have know some folks my size who almost look like they’re wearing clown shoes!
Until we know for certain Ross’ shoe size (or hell, even a picture of his feet or what shoes he wears would certainly be something), it would be hard to use that as qualifying or disqualifying evidence.
I don’t know much about watch wrist sizing, but I would be prone to agree with you on that one, however. Wrist size must increase with size.
Just don’t see much instead of rcc library to connect him.
My issues are his size for 1
Do we know if he even owned a gun or how he could purchase wing walker boot.
Did Ross own a car or have a drivers license ?
Obviously we know through morf’s great research that inspector toschi was aware of Ross and would have ran his prints against any in the zodiac case. Ross prints being on file from previous arrest would be a easy way to eliminate him.
alot does not add up to Ross being zodiac. Bates killer maybe being zodiac nope in my humble opinion.
Just don’t see much instead of rcc library to connect him.
Him being in the library and the police sketch is more than any other POI
There are all kinds of odd things that make him suspect to me.
ONE stamp would not have been sufficient postage when it came to the Bates letters. The sender had to put two.
Sure he did.
I’ve asked this before, create a thread about your Zodiac copycat "theory," post evidence that supports it, and watch members blast holes through it.
The smallest, most impractical path for a bay area killer to learn of, and copy elements of a crime, is not proof or even a good reason to think a copycat is even a good possibility.
Know what is a good possibility? A mentally ill individual who matches the Z physical description, and had ties to both areas in the years the crimes took place.
Paul,
When you say Ross "matches the Z physical description," that is simply not true. There is NOT ONE witness who either saw Z or saw someone we think might have been Z, who described someone resembling Ross.
Read the eyewitness descriptions below and tell me who says Z had a crew cut, widows peak, and was 6′ 2" and 260+ pounds. Nobody did.
When you and others make the claim that Ross matches the description, the logical gymnastics you have to do is to frankenstein your own description together, by selectively taking pieces you like from various accounts while ignoring those you don’t. So you’ll say "Ross looks just like the PH sketch, and the guy at Berryessa might’ve been 225 which is within 40 pounds of Ross, so there it is, Ross could’ve been Z." Someone using the same logic could say with equal (in)validity that Z looked like the LB sketch, and was 5′ 8 or 9 inches tall and weighed well under 200 pounds, matching Mageau and the PH descriptions.
By all accounts, the guy at LB had longish dark brown hair. One of the girls described him as good looking. Does that sound like Ross?
So… I’m looking forward to your explaining your claim that Ross matches the description.
Yes – MM is what he is. Or rather he now is what he became.
But back then he stated very clearly that the attacker did not wear glasses. Explicit statement on his part. He may have had a flashlight on him but a flashlight doesn’t obliterate a pair of glasses. If he didn’t see anything, then presumably that’s what he would have said: I don’t know whether he had glasses or not, couldn’t see his face at all.
That’s not what he says, though. He says the guy didn’t have glasses – plainly and clearly.
LB:
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Thanks for the thoughts everyone. The problem is that we dont know for sure if the guy they saw was zodiac. The guy they saw looked nothing like the Stine Zodiac sketch, and looked alot younger,IMO.
By the way… the difference between the LB and PH descriptions and sketches makes it pretty likely, in my opinion, that these are two different guys, which makes picking and choosing details from each and combining them to fit a POI, even more dubious.
thread prediction: "he wore disguises" in 3,2,1…..
thread prediction: "he wore disguises" in 3,2,1…..
Which is funny, because that notion can be used to disqualify him, too. If Z did, in fact, wear disguises, then he really can’t look like Ross after all, can he 
thread prediction: "he wore disguises" in 3,2,1…..
LOL yes, last night I thought of this and my rebuttal is: Two of the 3 girls specifically said the suspect was good looking. If Ross was able to find a disguise that made him good-looking, he was a flat out genius!
He seemed like a good looking guy in his younger years.
Other than (possible) size, he doesn’t fit the LB description to me…but for me, that doesn’t really matter.
“…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep.“ L.A. Times, 1969
He seemed like a good looking guy in his younger years.
Well, I can sort of see that, I guess. But if we go with the assertion that the Presidio Heights sketch is a dead-ringer for Ross, plopping a dark brown wig on that head, maybe stuffing a couple of cotton balls in his cheeks to round out the face a bit, does not, IMO, result in a face that two young women would, independently, describe as good looking.
Read the eyewitness descriptions below and tell me who says Z had a crew cut, widows peak, and was 6′ 2" and 260+ pounds. Nobody did.
I stand corrected. It would be completely impossible for a human to grow out his hair and apply grease to it.
The girls who helped to produce this sketch described this man to investigators as a white male, between 28-30 years of age, with dark hair that was parted on the left side, at least six feet tall, stocky build, approx. 200 to 225 lbs., with a round face, rounded eyes, thin lips, a medium nose, straight eyebrows and small ears.
How does this eliminate Ross as a possibility?
