This happens with almost everyone who believes their guy is Zodiac. That defensive tone.

You think Ross was Zodiac, Paul. Fine. Some of us simply look at things differently.

My sentiments exactly

This happens with almost everyone who believes their guy is Zodiac. That defensive tone.

You think Ross was Zodiac, Paul. Fine. Some of us simply look at things differently.

Good, start a thread on your theories and stop worrying about the Ross threads.

By my count, you have three copycat killers to track down!

I will continue to post in the Ross threads, thanks. But since you have it all figured out, not sure why you are the one posting. The case is apparently solved.

So I decided to keep this thread up for anti-Ross people that wanted to Post here, but I gotta admit, it seems like a head scratcher as to why people would want to waste their time and energy posting about somebody they don’t think is zodiac. For me, I just don’t believe that guys like MrX or TedK are z, so I don’t post in their threads, as I feel I’d be wasting my time, yet, I’ve never felt the need to start anti threads about them

For me, Ross is an interesting subject, who was once actually a part of this case–an actual possibility in regards to Cheri Jo, which of course for some, carries over to the Zodiac case..

There are positives, but there are negatives. That is simply what I am weighing here and that is what I like to discuss. Everything is not 100% in his favor…that’s all.

For me, Ross is an interesting subject, who was once actually a part of this case–an actual possibility in regards to Cheri Jo, which of course for some, carries over to the Zodiac case..

There are positives, but there are negatives. That is simply what I am weighing here and that is what I like to discuss. Everything is not 100% in his favor…that’s all.

I’d agree with all of that,and I think some People believe I am part of the group that has made up their mind Ross is Zodiac,which is not true. He’s my favorite suspect and most logical to me, but at the same time, the only way he could be Z was if he was in Vallejo at some point, if he wasn’t, he’s not Z. Additionally, if his prints & DNA didn’t match Z, he couldn’t be Z. Unfortunately, I am not sure what else is left to be discovered about him.

So I decided to keep this thread up for anti-Ross people that wanted to Post here, but I gotta admit, it seems like a head scratcher as to why people would want to waste their time and energy posting about somebody they don’t think is zodiac. For me, I just don’t believe that guys like MrX or TedK are z, so I don’t post in their threads, as I feel I’d be wasting my time, yet, I’ve never felt the need to start anti threads about them

Well, take it as a compliment. The other subjects have been thouroughly debunked or are total nonsense. Ross, unlike others, is a reasonable subject. The other subjects are either individuals who have committed other murders or they are individuals who are only subjects due to nonsense conclusions (numerology, astrology, bad speculation, etc)

All that "evidence" is easy to dismiss and debunk. Ross doesn’t have that nonsense evidence. There’s good speculation, there’s good coincidences. However, I don’t there’s solid evidence itself, and I also don’t think it’s fair to attribute or even tie murders to an innocent individual.

I’m not defending Ted K because he’s indefensible, but he most clearly didn’t do it either. I don’t defend Mr X because there really isn’t any evidence against him, either.

Idoctor: Thanks for your kind offer of assistance. I contacted Riverside City College, asking if a particular individual attended RCC in the Fall of 1966. I emphasized that I was not interested in what classes he took or his grades; only if he had been a student then. Citing some law, they refused to answer my question. Granted, it wasn’t necessary that my POI be a student at RCC for him to have killed Bates, but it would have been (for me, at least) a red flag. Twice I’ve recently forwarded the info in my post to the Riverside Police Department, without receiving a reply. I don’t know if establishing that my POI attended RCC in the Fall of ’66 would, in light of the other info I’ve accumulated, provoke the authorities into following up my leads, but it would scratch a persistent itch of mine.

Idoctor: Thanks for your kind offer of assistance. I contacted Riverside City College, asking if a particular individual attended RCC in the Fall of 1966. I emphasized that I was not interested in what classes he took or his grades; only if he had been a student then. Citing some law, they refused to answer my question. Granted, it wasn’t necessary that my POI be a student at RCC for him to have killed Bates, but it would have been (for me, at least) a red flag. Twice I’ve recently forwarded the info in my post to the Riverside Police Department, without receiving a reply. I don’t know if establishing that my POI attended RCC in the Fall of ’66 would, in light of the other info I’ve accumulated, provoke the authorities into following up my leads, but it would scratch a persistent itch of mine.

Pop me a PM brother and I’ll see if I can’t pull some strings

I dunno where we go from here..getting ross’s medical records would be close to to impossible at this point…the crimes are spread out amongst multiple jurisdictions and distance which hampered the investigation back in the day..then some or many think no riverside connection and berryessa may not have even been z…then when we did get witnesses they are either traumatized (understandable) or drugged out hippies or simply not believed…then we get liars decade laters who write fiction for monetary gain….so far z has pulled off the perfect crime..i know politicians who would love to have z’s luck or skill

One thing i find interesting is i dont ever remember any z reference to the holocost, jfk, or the vietnam anti war movement let alone the red commies nuking us…just letters intended to incite fear….i find that interesting..may be z was an illegitimate adopted kid whose hatred for society in general ran deep…i dont think z was influenced during his teenage years but much earlier..ross kinda fits in there for me..therfore ross hold interest and as of yet he has not been positivly been ruled out…but yea hurdles are there….

I’m actually a little confused what all this so called "evidence" against Ross is, but then I didn’t read all 200 pages of his thread because I know a lot of it was just totally made up, sorry guys.

Like you have Paul talking about "what other suspect is Schizophrenic?" besides Larry Kane, I presume you mean… Last I heard Ross wasn’t even confirmed to have been diagnosed, that’s just what people guessed. Now if that has changed, no matter… Since Zodiac hasn’t been arrested and diagnosed with the same condition, which effects like 1% of the population, so 200,000 people in California at the time…. that means NOTHING.

What about David Van Nuys who "diagnosed" Zodiac with DID? What makes his professional opinion less good than whomever you believed to have said Z had Schizophrenia? Because that doesn’t fit Ross and the cherry picked evidence, so out it goes.

I honestly think Ross is as "good" a suspect as Arthur Leigh Allen. It basically all comes down to someone that knew him saying that they thought he was guilty and interpreting everything he did that way, when there is really nothing to actually even connect him to the victim. The arguments for how Ross connects to Cheri are only slightly more plausible than the connection between ALA and Darlene.

Actually, ALA is better because he confirmed that he was in Riverside AND Vallejo and Napa, Unlike Ross.

At first I did think Ross was a good suspect, but then when I saw like ALA nothing materialize and people floundering to make up stuff and try to gt every single detail about him to connect to Zodiac in some way, it makes me think that’s a sure sign that the case is not a good one.

We aren’t floundering making stuff up about Ross, at least, not most of us.

1) Ross wasn’t just in RIverside to watch a race, he was in the RCC library, and that’s a fact where zodiac’s writing has been linked to, which can not be said of MrX, Allen, or ANYBODY else

2)Ross knew Cheri Jo Bates, which can’t be said of MrX, Allen, or anybody else

3)Ross looked identical to the sketch which can’t be said of Allen, or MrX. While you can say some people "looked like the sketch", Ross is identical to it, or at the very least, the closest match of ANY suspect to it. Anybody who would argue this point, must need glasses

4)We know Ross was mentally ill from multiple accounts, from his own Family, from co workers, etc He was in and out of mental hospitals, and while I haven’t seen a black and white report mentioning schizophrenia, it’s obvious that’s what he suffered from.

5)Ross’s Brother thought he was Z, and his library co workers suspected he killed Cheri.

6)Right after the April 67 Bates letters, Ross left for the SF Bay Area

ALL of the above are facts, not made up, we didn’t flounder to create it, we worked hard, looked thru files, reports, talked to people,etc

If Ross wasn’t Z, so be it, we just need to find another twin of his, with the same hairline as Ross and the sketch, that was in the same RCC library as Ross, and then wound up migrating north after the last Bates letters like Ross did, one that had mental illness, etc, I’m sure there were a dozen people that fit that bill

Morf those are valid but you are overlooking the size difference and giving credit to the widows peak hair line.
6.2 to 6.3 and 250 plus is way bigger than any description and would not any or all the wittiness say he was at least a large man.
If Ross was 5.4 or 5.5 in height would you still look at him as a suspect or say he was to short ?

If Ross wasn’t Z, so be it, we just need to find another twin of his, with the same hairline as Ross and the sketch, that was in the same RCC library as Ross, and then wound up migrating north after the last Bates letters like Ross did, one that had mental illness, etc, I’m sure there were a dozen people that fit that bill

A post like this though, makes it sound like you have made up your mind and think anyone who doesn’t see this is foolish. ??

Could be Ross is the only one that fits that bill. But ultimately, we don’t know if that is Zodiac’s bill.

One good thing these type of contentious threads produce is some potential good ideas…i do like the curch camp angle for ross and his fathers church connections…what would propel ross to head up to berryessa is kinda hard for me to connect the dots unless the jerk went to church or summer camp in the area …this is even true of the other z poi’s (in my mind this excludes ala or X..both had reason to be there)….most suspects prowl an area they are most familiar with..most homicides are for sex, money or revenge (or simple disrespect)….z does not seem to fit into these….i dont even remember bates having been sexually assaulted and that whole case looks like revenge to me..it would be nice to know if ross ever had a love crush on bates but finding that now is probally a zilch chance…

Z to me almost seems like he had some knowledge of sniper training or at least the one aspect of sniper dicipline which is to instill fear..z to me really enjoyed the whole fear angle and watching the public go bezerk..i doubt the bastard ever intended to blow up a bus but he had enough brain power to know it would immediately instill fear in the public..no different than today really…i could argue that in some sense z was not mentally ill, never had been in any psych ward, but just liked killing people and causing fear..now your definition of that is probably a complete opposite of what z would say…..i dunno the whole dam case is convoluted to the nth degree today so i say find me the bloody shirt and ill say your poi is the right guy.. certain aspects of all the known poi’s look good to me at times which includes ross