I introduced this in the middle of a different topic a few days ago. I’m starting a thread here with the same link just to make it easier to find in the future to revisit.
Obviously, connecting Ross with items found at CJB’s crime scene could be very important. Apparently, though, I’m the only one seeing it. Eyes seem to play tricks on you with this case, which I accept. However, maybe someone out there has a ’59 Glendale yearbook to get a better scan or has better photo enhancement software than I do who may want to spend some time with this.
Another year is about to pass without CJB’s murder being solved. Here’s to someone out there finding evidence to bring some closure to this crime!
(Mods, I don’t care about blog clicks, feel free to delete the link and replace with the photographs. I don’t have permission to add photos so I can’t just pull them.)
It’s funny, now that I think about it, I’ve never looked all that closely at the footwear in this photo.
I spend a great deal of my time looking at grainy photos of archival performances to try and determine the equipment used by the musicians. I’ve discovered that you glean a surprising amount by approaching the problem with a process of elimination. That might sound like a statement of the bleeding obvious, but I do think it helps.
As I look at the photos, I’m more intrigued by the shoes. We can say that they do not appear to be ordinary dress shoes and that they do not appear to be high cut boots. That is somewhat interesting.
I agree the boots are interesting.
Has it been established exactly when the watch was made? If the crime scene watch is newer than ‘59 then it doesn’t matter if Ross has a similar watch in the photo. It was around 7 years between this picture and CJB’s murder. However, if it is an older model watch they found at the crime scene, this is more interesting, if indeed it is there.
In a previous thread, Richard put some information about that style of watch and how to date it. Maybe I’m misunderstanding what was put there, but it seems that the watch is pre 1963, and that’s where these type of watches get hard to date. Richard also mentioned TV had posted on his site about a connection to it being purchased originally overseas at a military base. Was that based on RPD knowing precisely the year the watch was first sold/made?
The face of the watch retrieved from the alleyway floor, reads TIMEX WATERPROOF.
This watch is identical to a 1963 Marlin Timex in both font and text.
https://www.zodiacciphers.com/
“I simply cannot accept that there are, on every story, two equal and logical sides to an argument.” Edward R. Murrow.
Here is the exact same watch, with same colour face and alligator wristband.
https://www.zodiacciphers.com/
“I simply cannot accept that there are, on every story, two equal and logical sides to an argument.” Edward R. Murrow.
I assume the 2nd is ‘63 as well? That would rule out Ross’s watch in the ‘59 photo. Thanks.
It’s shadow.
I assume the 2nd is ‘63 as well? That would rule out Ross’s watch in the ‘59 photo. Thanks.
The second image is a 63 Marlin Timex, yes.
https://www.zodiacciphers.com/
“I simply cannot accept that there are, on every story, two equal and logical sides to an argument.” Edward R. Murrow.
It’s shadow.
I’m inclined to agree with Tom on the wristwatch, but I think the shoes are in the ball park. Funny I’d never really tried to look that closely before.
Interesting thread can not tell if it is a watch or not. I know one thing, not many of my watches survived 7 years(the time between the photo and Bates murder)
There is more than one way to lose your life to a killer
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I introduced this in the middle of a different topic a few days ago. I’m starting a thread here with the same link just to make it easier to find in the future to revisit.
Obviously, connecting Ross with items found at CJB’s crime scene could be very important. Apparently, though, I’m the only one seeing it. Eyes seem to play tricks on you with this case, which I accept. However, maybe someone out there has a ’59 Glendale yearbook to get a better scan or has better photo enhancement software than I do who may want to spend some time with this.
Another year is about to pass without CJB’s murder being solved. Here’s to someone out there finding evidence to bring some closure to this crime!
(Mods, I don’t care about blog clicks, feel free to delete the link and replace with the photographs. I don’t have permission to add photos so I can’t just pull them.)
Is that your blog?
I can’t help but notice that when I hold my wrist up the shadow cast by the lights above me forms a narrow triangle that is narrower at the top and wider at the bottom. Try it for yourself.
I introduced this in the middle of a different topic a few days ago. I’m starting a thread here with the same link just to make it easier to find in the future to revisit.
Obviously, connecting Ross with items found at CJB’s crime scene could be very important. Apparently, though, I’m the only one seeing it. Eyes seem to play tricks on you with this case, which I accept. However, maybe someone out there has a ’59 Glendale yearbook to get a better scan or has better photo enhancement software than I do who may want to spend some time with this.
Another year is about to pass without CJB’s murder being solved. Here’s to someone out there finding evidence to bring some closure to this crime!
(Mods, I don’t care about blog clicks, feel free to delete the link and replace with the photographs. I don’t have permission to add photos so I can’t just pull them.)
If you could answer some questions I have that’d be great. In this timeline I see entries of Ramona High and Gelndale for Ross. What’s up with that? Did he got to both?
http://zodiackillerciphers.com/wiki/ind … s_Sullivan
I’m confused lol. The only thing that links back to this is the quote from a later letter about the ’17 yr old boy genius’… and how it says "ask missus taylur if she remembers who added the drawings and you’ll have me"… One of the first few pages of that old yearbook has Mrs. Taylor on it, the principal’s secretary.
I’m trying to find a way he could have added the drawings – as I already suspected someone DID – in the CJB yearbook in 64. If he knew Mrs Taylor and she knew he was an artist maybe she let HIM do the drawings UNCREDITED? It’s a creepy yrbook with depressing poems and drawings and even a zodiac symbol on it! This yrbook has Z’s STENCH all over it imo.
Ross is too old for 17 though… I thought maybe that boy genius line didn’t have anything to do with the crime it was attached to but a clue to back here… So I thought maybe z was referring to himself in the past as a boy genius. But he’s not 17 when or is he goes to Ramona or even when the 64 book is published. Unless he first met her at age 17 somehow? I dunno…
But so we that time has link to:
Glendale – where the movie Ross is in was filmed. Where he ends up just like CJB did in real life. I can’t just say that coincidence…No. Her killer saw that movie. Unfortunately it was shown at school so who knows who saw it. Unless you had a projector at home and a copy of it – it wasn’t like today and youtube lol – you probably didn’t see it. So it could be anybody at school but not too many people at home. Did her killer just watch the film, own it or simply just work on it? Too big a question to answer…but it was made by one of the brothers who took him in, apparently they were obsessed with serial killers.
https://www.racmonitor.com/high-school- … ery-ending
Ramona – weird ass, creepy yearbook with a z symbol in it too boot! depressing poems, it’s 100% not what a yearbook should be, like a SICK JOKE. CJB is in it 5 times, only listed on THREE and ALL of them are wrong! Again, like someone played a sick joke on her. She’s popular, everyone’s gonna know all her pages are screwed up. Did Ross or whomever CHANGE the page numbers too? I thought maybe he worked on the book (it’s also the only year with NO credits!?) but now I’m thinking he did this one little sneak job under the guise of adding pictures and drawings, etc maybe to spice it up. No year before it looked like it and none did afterwards. No doubt someone got in trouble over this…but not our killer. The next years book has one or two z like things as well, but that’s it. I made a post about it in the summer on another forum and after 2 months of asking questions the yearbook was changed when I went to see it online one day…creeped me out lol so I laid of it for a while… I do have some pics somewhere though…
How do these fit into HIS timeline? Thanks please answer if you can – I’m just confused about the double highschool listings.
I have my own theory *cough, set-up, cough*…but this kinda now puts ‘Ross might have done it’ back in my thoughts (I’ve counted him out for so long). Thanks for the help.
I’m sorry, I’m not completely following you on some of what you wrote but I’ll answer what I can.
When Ross transferred from NY, he only went to Glendale as far as I know. I believe those yearbooks are on that site for reference on the people surrounding Cheri Jo and because Ross’s brothers both had at least a year of attending at Ramona. In some older posts on this site it was said that Tim, Ross’s brother, married a close friend of Cheri Jo’s, Bonnie Bartlett and that Tim also knew Cheri. Tim’s wedding was just a few weeks before CJB was murdered and it’s been postulated Ross might have had contact with her then. At any rate, it’s a connection of Ross to CJB if it is true.
I’m not sure to what you are referring after that about the yearbooks. In my limited research, poems and drawings like that are more common than it might seem.
As far as the movie, it was never finished and never shown. They ran out of money. Morf talked to Allan Silliphant, the director, a few years back and the unfinished footage is lost. I was the one who talked to the person who wrote that article you shared in the link and he said it never saw the light of day.
Hope that helps you some.
I’m sorry, I’m not completely following you on some of what you wrote but I’ll answer what I can.
When Ross transferred from NY, he only went to Glendale as far as I know. I believe those yearbooks are on that site for reference on the people surrounding Cheri Jo and because Ross’s brothers both had at least a year of attending at Ramona. In some older posts on this site it was said that Tim, Ross’s brother, married a close friend of Cheri Jo’s, Bonnie Bartlett and that Tim also knew Cheri. Tim’s wedding was just a few weeks before CJB was murdered and it’s been postulated Ross might have had contact with her then. At any rate, it’s a connection of Ross to CJB if it is true.
I’m not sure to what you are referring after that about the yearbooks. In my limited research, poems and drawings like that are more common than it might seem.
As far as the movie, it was never finished and never shown. They ran out of money. Morf talked to Allan Silliphant, the director, a few years back and the unfinished footage is lost. I was the one who talked to the person who wrote that article you shared in the link and he said it never saw the light of day.
Hope that helps you some.
A bit thanks. I know I read the movie was shown in school. Originally when I thought Ross was the director of the film I thought maybe he was pissed at police for ruining this movie but once I read it was SHOWN, I changed me tune – also when I found out he was just an actor… but now that it’s ruined, the theory can be applied to some one else…hmmm… Thanks.
