Pro’s are

– same handwriting
– contains cipher
– same symbols
– sent from Oakland
– sent to Vallejo Times Herald

So I guess you have access to fingerprints that proove it is not from Z, because of your confidence in it not being authentic? So we can trust your statement?

QT

– same handwriting… not
– contains cipher… so?
– same symbols… so?
– sent from Oakland… so?
– sent to Vallejo Times Herald… so?

For all we know, you could have written it. You also think the ’86-’87 letters, Albany, and Fairfield stuff are genuine. Curious as to which letters you think are hoaxes…

Your post is excellently without any content at all. We dont talk about Albany / Fairfield letters or any other stuff at all.

You had super self-confidently claimed the imo useless statement that celebrity cipher is not from Z. Not that you dont believe it is not from him nor that it might not be from him, no, you said it IS not.

I ask you the last time, before you discredited yourself completely, what is your proof that it is not authentic Z communication?

Your ‘handwriting not’ stuff is nonsense and so is your ‘so?’ stuff.

So?

QT

RS clearly ruled out to be Z, that’s all

what is your proof that it is not authentic Z communication?

What’s your proof that it IS? After all, you’re the one that said, "Haha…thread CLOSED after 240,000 views..Ross Sullivan definitely ruled out as the author of authentic Z post card."

That’s what is known as ‘hypocrisy’. And it doesn’t help one bit for you to perpetuate a myth that it’s been in any way deemed authentic. It has not.

He was DEAD when the cipher was sent??

I brought up different reasons why the cipher is authentic (compare it with Z340..).

You came up with: Nothing.

I never said it is authentic, although I believe it is, but you said it is not. Which is clearly an empty statement.

I gave you the chance twice to explain, nothing of essence.

RS ruled out, at least for those who believe celebrity cipher is authentic.

But please, go ahead with your visions. I’m just annoyed with such empty nonsense, but anyway.

QT

The Celebrity Cypher is a tough one. On the one hand it’s a cipher done in the style of the Zodiac. The problem I have is that copying Zodiac symbols seems like the kind of pop culture low hanging fruit that might appeal to a would be prankster.

There’s just a paucity of information contained in the Celebrity Cipher. It’s cryptic (you ain’t kiddin) and doesn’t give us much to go on one way, or the other.

If this was the early days of the investigation and I was on some race against time to prevent the killer striking again, I would pursue other leads. It’s important to remember that we are at a very late stage in the history of this case. We’re searching the less likely nooks and crannies, the spots original investigators may have passed over due to parsimony.

We’re at a stage where a lot of the evidence we’re considering is from the "maybe pile" so to speak. And because of that I’m just not sure if I see the value of sweeping statements regarding the validity of some of the unconfirmed letters. They’re all open to opinion, and if someone can genuinely rule one out, like for example the Patricia Hautz letter, that’s great, but this clearly isn’t the case with the Celebrity Cipher.

Nevertheless I have to admit that the L is written in RS style, although he was dead.

AT

Can anyone explain why the death certificate on here for Ross Sullivan states his dob being July 28, 1941 but on his ssn application he writes June not July. Or did I miss something along the way ?
Edit: he himself writes “6” for June

I would say this about Sullivan and I only say this because of the not so coincidental connections of him and 3 victims of Zodiac. It’s known that Sullivan and Bates both went to RCC at the same time. It’s widely discussed and mentioned that Shepard from the Barryessa murder is from Loma Linda and City in Riverside County and she went to and lived at La Sierra University which is in City of Riverside about 10 miles from RCC at the time Bates and Sullivan were going to RCC. Also rumored that Sullivan transfer or moved to Santa Cruz after Bates death and Shepard’s transfer to a Nor Cal college. Also Hartnell after his and Shepard’s attack which he narrowly survived then moved so So Cal to none other than Loma Linda area Shepard’s home town for a woman and is still there now. So with all of the ‘unintentional’ following each other around California and to the exact locations or proximities of each other not sure how RPD does not consider Sullivan public enemy #1 or Nor Cal police do not either. I understand that RPD still will not release the name of their suspect all these decades later and have had DNA come back that cleared their suspect. Also Ross Sullivan still has a living brother that somewhat refuses to talk about things and will not give DNA to clear his brother. The other deceased brother was rumored to have thought Ross was Zodiac. Also as a fun fact Barbara Van Tomme worked at RCC with Ross in the 60’s at time of murder and still works there today. Also the RCC library kept an archive about all the murders and letters and the like. Just some thoughts worth sharing.

I would say this about Sullivan and I only say this because of the not so coincidental connections of him and 3 victims of Zodiac. It’s known that Sullivan and Bates both went to RCC at the same time. It’s widely discussed and mentioned that Shepard from the Barryessa murder is from Loma Linda and City in Riverside County and she went to and lived at La Sierra University which is in City of Riverside about 10 miles from RCC at the time Bates and Sullivan were going to RCC. Also rumored that Sullivan transfer or moved to Santa Cruz after Bates death and Shepard’s transfer to a Nor Cal college. Also Hartnell after his and Shepard’s attack which he narrowly survived then moved so So Cal to none other than Loma Linda area Shepard’s home town for a woman and is still there now. So with all of the ‘unintentional’ following each other around California and to the exact locations or proximities of each other not sure how RPD does not consider Sullivan public enemy #1 or Nor Cal police do not either. I understand that RPD still will not release the name of their suspect all these decades later and have had DNA come back that cleared their suspect. Also Ross Sullivan still has a living brother that somewhat refuses to talk about things and will not give DNA to clear his brother. The other deceased brother was rumored to have thought Ross was Zodiac. Also as a fun fact Barbara Van Tomme worked at RCC with Ross in the 60’s at time of murder and still works there today. Also the RCC library kept an archive about all the murders and letters and the like. Just some thoughts worth sharing.

Santa Cruz, while considered Northern CA is very, very far from Pacific Union College.

There is no arguing his connection to the RCC library and Jo Ann Bailey’s letter is intriguing…along with other comments made by people who "knew" him in regard to Cheri Jo, but I tend to lean more to Ross being an off-beat character and an easy target from folks who thought he was weird. Just my take, of course.

I agree, Tahoe. Sullivan had too many mental problems to have successfully eluded LE. I would expect a Sullivan killer career to have been littered with screw-ups.

Santa Cruz, while considered Northern CA is very, very far from Pacific Union College.

Indeed. It takes a good 40 minutes to drive from the LB crime scene to "nearby" downtown Napa. And then another 60/70 minutes to get to San Francisco.

Santa Cruz is definitely not part of the Zodiac’s Bay Area.

I support Morf’s investigation the most.
Those trying to eliminate Sullivan have emphasized height/weight, effect of mental illness, and lack of proximity to crimes. Unfortunately, all of these are either relatively unknown or not necessarily prohibitive. We have details of his whereabouts, for example, for some of his adulthood but sketchy knowledge of other periods. Was he actually in Patten for the entire period as he told Bailey? He had taken leave from RCC but his addresses are unknown from May 1961-Jan. 1964. Also, what was the severity of his schizophrenia and what form did it assume? His weight was estimated by LE on the phone booth report, but how much did it fluctuate?
My point is that Sullivan just can’t be eliminated as a POI based on what we know.
There is, however, much circumstantial evidence that seems to link him. This evidence has been expertly researched by Morford as well as others on this site and also a Subreddit.
The Gaviota Beach murders and the Swindle murders, discussed initially by Morford, occurred during the time period when Sullivan’s whereabouts was unknown.
One interesting piece of info I came across was the Catholic Church’s crusade against the evil of comic books in the late 1940’s. It began with a ban in a Southern state-I think West Virginia-in mid 1948. The next place that participated was a Catholic Church in Binghamton, which held a comic book collection and burning in Dec. 1948. Ross would have been 7, and if Zodiac, would have been interested in comic books. Probably nothing there, but I thought it interesting.

I agree, Tahoe. Sullivan had too many mental problems to have successfully eluded LE. I would expect a Sullivan killer career to have been littered with screw-ups.

Z was no mastermind, no evil genius. He was reckless, left surviving victims, and multiple witnesses. I don’t think we are dealing with someone with criminal genius on their resume

I agree, Tahoe. Sullivan had too many mental problems to have successfully eluded LE. I would expect a Sullivan killer career to have been littered with screw-ups.

Z was no mastermind, no evil genius. He was reckless, left surviving victims, and multiple witnesses. I don’t think we are dealing with someone with criminal genius on their resume

Exactly I get tired of people trying to claim he was a criminal mastermind and genius. In some regards, he was pretty lucky to not get caught.

I agree, Tahoe. Sullivan had too many mental problems to have successfully eluded LE. I would expect a Sullivan killer career to have been littered with screw-ups.

Do we even know the extent and frequency of RS mental problems? Sure, we have the arrest report and anecdotal info from roommates and neighbors, but that wouldn’t necessarily preclude him from being able at some times. We would need more specific diagnoses.