There were (very) different sizes.

1/2 a shoe size is not "very different."
A military boot print at the crime scene is still very much in line with Z.

Why are we still debating the possibility of Z murdering CJB? It’s very much a possibility.

There were (very) different sizes.

1/2 a shoe size is not "very different."
A military boot print at the crime scene is still very much in line with Z.

Why are we still debating the possibility of Z murdering CJB? It’s very much a possibility.

It is a possibility, but there simply is no evidence or proof.

There were (very) different sizes.

1/2 a shoe size is not "very different."
A military boot print at the crime scene is still very much in line with Z.

Why are we still debating the possibility of Z murdering CJB? It’s very much a possibility.

I am merely stating the fact the shoe sizes were different. Why do you throw these comments out there? I am not debating squat with you!

I have simply read the shoe prints were anywhere from 8-10, and after morf pointed out the measurement of the print at Berryessa, it appears they are very different in size. That is all.

Maybe they were mistaken. Or maybe they wanted to explain away the letter by disconnecting it to the crime.

Maybe. Or maybe not. The only question here is whether there was anything in the letter known only to the killer and the cops. Anything which actually qualifies. The rest of it is just speculation.

and, is the size of the knife that fact? i asked this question before and
am not satisfied yet what the answer is.

Apparently the Poster Monster swallowed my last post, so I’ll try again. "Wing Walkers," aka "boondockers" were–perhaps still are–common footwear in the service, particularly the Navy, and largely worn by recruits and reservists. The idea that Cheri’s killer might have purchased them at March AFB seems a stretch to me. I mean, who would go to an Air Force base to buy boots when there was a Payless (or its 60s equivalent) down the block? More likely, the "military style boots" were worn by an active/reservist sailor.

they were called Wingwalkers because they were used for just that.
the Air Force boys used them, not the Navy. and, you could buy them
at Army surplus stores. i had a pair of them along with my Navy peacoat.
anybody could have bought them.

All we want to do is take a good look at Ross and see if he fits in with the known evidence.

The Original Ross thread is 80% debating if Riverside was even Z.
So we start new topics trying to stay focused, but we get more "but the boot is half a size off, but the boot is half a size off."

Now we are derailed on yet another thread by more "but the boot is half a size off, but the boot is half a size off." When we really just need to focus on finding more information on Ross.

I would think anyone who may have been a pilot or worked on military planes (Army or Navy) could have worn them, and it has been established that anyone could pick them up at a surplus store–surely there were lots of guys that liked to buy that stuff–still is.

Now, can we establish that Ross wore them while working at the RCC library?

that’s why we need testimony from folks that knew him then.
and should we get confirmation, do we need then to question
the validity of the testimony?

I would think anyone who may have been a pilot or worked on military planes (Army or Navy) could have worn them, and it has been established that anyone could pick them up at a surplus store–surely there were lots of guys that liked to buy that stuff–still is.

Now, can we establish that Ross wore them while working at the RCC library?

If we could find someone that could tell us the type of shoes Ross wore 50 years ago that would be awesome, but I don’t have my hopes up. I couldn’t even tell you the exact type of shoes I wore 5 years ago.

I wonder if there was a dress code of some kind, in order to work at the library. Not that Ross seems one to follow a dress code — but he might have needed to try, at least when he first started there. I get the impression from letters and interviews that the librarians were still pretty buttoned up, back then. And, if they noticed that Ross had new clothes after being gone during the days after the CBJ incident, what specifically did they notice?

I have been thinking about this case all weekend, Zodiac’s possible hunting territory and any way that Ross could be connected to the Vallejo area. Some random thoughts:

The Sullivan family all moved to Northern California after Cheri Jo was killed, and they seemed to have gone their separate ways. We have Santa Cruz, San Francisco, Berkeley, and Stockton.

And we have Lake Berryessa about 1-1/2 hours from Vallejo. Zodiac did drive around looking for victims. But he would almost certainly had to have known the Vallejo area quite well.

And we have Santa Barbara.

I think that the Boles Family murders is a very interesting case. In August of 1965, a family of four was murdered by someone with a .22 caliber gun and a knife in their mountain cabin in Crestline, California. The case remains unsolved to this day. I looked up Patton State Mental Hospital where the librarian said Ross bragged about escaping from, and that is about a 27 minute drive to Crestline, but only a few miles as the crow flies. That was only 14 months before Cheri Jo, and remains unsolved.

If Ross was anywhere near Vallejo, then the connection must be work, school, family, or maybe church. I wonder if Ross’s father had church connections up there which could put Ross at a summer camp in the Bay Area as a teen. Or something similar.

Sorry, I have been in another area of the site for quite a while, but aren’t there some things that haven’t been explored?

We have one brother who allegedly said that he thought that Ross killed Cheri Jo and may have been Zodiac. His brother. And we have one brother who said that Ross was crazy, but would never harm anyone.

And we have the Confession Letter, which was very personal. The author spoke of rejection, used Zodiac like words and phrases, like "the game" and "shall."

What about the poem that Ross wrote, the one that was published. We never got that. PinkPhantom was going to look at that. I wonder what ever happened to her. Pink, are you still out there?

Sorry, I have been in another area of the site for quite a while, but aren’t there some things that haven’t been explored?

We have one brother who allegedly said that he thought that Ross killed Cheri Jo and may have been Zodiac. His brother. And we have one brother who said that Ross was crazy, but would never harm anyone.

And we have the Confession Letter, which was very personal. The author spoke of rejection, used Zodiac like words and phrases, like "the game" and "shall."

What about the poem that Ross wrote, the one that was published. We never got that. PinkPhantom was going to look at that. I wonder what ever happened to her. Pink, are you still out there?

Good points Smokie, Ross creeped out the RCC library people with a morbid poem, and low and behold, the writing on the RCC desk is a morbid poem(not saying both poems were the same, we don’t know what was in Ross’s poem)

Both Brothers had differing opinions of Ross, the one that thought he was z got married in the SF area, and may have been around there during z crimes, the other Brother was away in another state going to college. How familiar was he with the z case details or what Ross was up to?

Bottom line here, I’ll put my money where my mouth is, I’ll pay for a DNA test, if his Brother agrees to one, I know he or somebody in his Family reads this forum. Then Ross can be cleared which I’m sure his Brother would like. Then we can find out which one of these Ross groups is correct the believers or the dissenters