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Facts & Evidence – Ted Kaczynski As The Zodiac

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(@holmes201)
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Because I found an important connection between the Mikado, and Harvard University and Ted Kaczynski the week before last, I have been searching for clues in Cambridge Massachusetts. Today I have found some important clues. I have found the link how Ted Kaczynski became zodiac. I have the evidence at hand.

 
Posted : June 4, 2019 6:20 pm
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Harvard Houses as Zodiac Signs – Flyby | The blog of The Harvard …
https://www.thecrimson.com/flyby/articl … iac-signs/

 
Posted : June 4, 2019 6:24 pm
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The Harvard Houses as Zodiac signs article dates from 2019. Any evidence that the concept is older?

 
Posted : June 5, 2019 4:26 am
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ted couldn’t have been the zodiac. totally different kind of serial killer. Z is a thrill killer with hatred of women and couples and likes to get up close and personal. Ted is a mission oriented serial killer who kills from afar with bombs and whos victims are totally different.
all the circumstantial evidence and apparent similarities is superfluous.

different victimology
different motivation
different weapon
different serial killer type

totally different animal.

…a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma

 
Posted : June 6, 2019 12:37 am
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TK also hated women and couples at that time, it was said times and times again. And I dont’ know how you can say circumstancial evidence and similarities are superfluous, that makes no sense at all.

 
Posted : June 6, 2019 7:11 pm
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This is going to sound crazy, I know, but…

Kaczynski is, of course, currently incarcerated at ADX Florence serving 8 consecutive life sentences without the possibility of parole. I don’t know if there remains any likelihood of any appeals, but he’s pretty much got the rest of his life mapped out for him. He’s not getting out.

Now, I think this makes him somewhat unique among Zodiac suspects, in that he is already incarcerated and things, in this respect, can’t really get any worse for him.

So, I’m wondering. There are a lot of people who think, for various reasons, that Kaczynski might be the Zodiac, and many who do are here.

I don’t know how ethical this would be, or how wise, but has anyone thought of actually just writing Kaczynski and asking him what he thinks about what other are thinking about him? Not, of course, writing to outright say "Hey, are you the Zodiac killer?" but just "what do you think to that?"

“This isn’t right! It’s not even wrong!”—Wolfgang Pauli (1900–1958)

 
Posted : June 7, 2019 3:53 am
AK Wilks
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This is going to sound crazy, I know, but…

Kaczynski is, of course, currently incarcerated at ADX Florence serving 8 consecutive life sentences without the possibility of parole. I don’t know if there remains any likelihood of any appeals, but he’s pretty much got the rest of his life mapped out for him. He’s not getting out.

Now, I think this makes him somewhat unique among Zodiac suspects, in that he is already incarcerated and things, in this respect, can’t really get any worse for him.

So, I’m wondering. There are a lot of people who think, for various reasons, that Kaczynski might be the Zodiac, and many who do are here.

I don’t know how ethical this would be, or how wise, but has anyone thought of actually just writing Kaczynski and asking him what he thinks about what other are thinking about him? Not, of course, writing to outright say "Hey, are you the Zodiac killer?" but just "what do you think to that?"

You are welcome to try. It has been tried before, with little success. You say "things can’t really get any worse for him". But you need to understand Ted’s current standing and position. Right now he is now as the Unabomber. A killer, yes, but regarded by many in the radical environmental, anti-technology and primitivist anarchist movements as a hero, a principaled guerilla fighter against the evil forces of technology, corporations and defilers of the environment. He is sometimes quoted in academic journals and magazines and has even been published in the radical press.

What would he gain by confessing to being the Zodiac? What would he lose? Yes the Zodiac does get some credit in the press for being uncaught, a smart criminal who defied the police and created codes the FBI could not break – which may be why (IMO) Ted sometimes gives cryptic, teasing hints that he was Zodiac. . But the Zodiac is also generally regarded as a psychopath, a sick serial killer, a sexually frustrated madman who stabbed and shot teens in lovers lanes. Therefore Ted will never flat out admit to being Zodiac.

Many years back Doug Oswell wrote the following letter to Ted Kaczynski asking for proof of an alibi for Zodiac murder and mailing dates. He never got an answer. Also, an attorney for Ted told a writer that they could not provide an alibi for any of these dates – not that they would not, but that they could not.

The first Unabomber crime was in 1978, yet in 1971 Ted recorded that he had already engaged in "violent rebellion" against society. In September 1966 Ted recorded the "breakthrough" moment in his life, when he decided to "REALLY kill everyone I hated".(Emphasis in original). The people he hated and wanted to kill included the expected "bigshots", like important scientists and big businessmen – but also police, "rowdy college students", promiscuous women who are "animals" – "pigs" and "noisy" love making couples.

Had Ted supplied an alibi for any of the key Z dates, that would end speculation about him being Z.

This is the letter:

Mr. Kaczynski:

My name is Douglas Oswell. For the past five years I have been researching the similarities between the Unabomber and a world-renowned criminal styled “Zodiac,” who became a pop-culture icon in the late 1960s through a series of sensational murders and correspondences with the press.

At this juncture I have uncovered no evidence that would forge a definite link between the activities of the Unabomber and those of Zodiac. Authorities at both the state and federal level have written off the likelihood of any such connection. Nevertheless it is undeniable (even by the detractors of a connection) that many similarities exist.

I have been advised that it would be unfair to suggest such a connection without offering you the opportunity to defend the reputation of the Unabomber and the philosophy for which he stood. To that end I would like to present you with a list of dates and ask that you provide accounts of your whereabouts for as many of those dates as possible. A valid alibi for even a single date, backed by documentary evidence, would be sufficient to prove conclusively that there is no linkage whatsoever between the sordid crimes of Zodiac and the more principled (albeit terrible) activities of the Unabomber.

Here is the list of dates in question:

10/30/66, 12/20/68, 7/4/69, 9,27/69, 10/12/69 (also gives dates for confirmed Zodiac mailings).

Please bear in mind that any alibi should be backed either by documentary evidence or the word of a reliable individual. In the latter case I would appreciate receiving from you a letter or letters of introduction that will establish my credibility to any such person.

It is only fair to state that I do not consider your brother, David Kaczynski, to be a reliable individual for the purpose of establishing an alibi. In 1990, based on conversations with your brother, a friend of his wrote a heretofore unpublished novel about “a Berkeley professor’s war with technology.” Within that novel the fictional "Berkeley professor" committed murder (by knife) to promote his worldview, thus anticipating the actual truth long before the Unabomber entered the public imagination (and bringing to mind the weapon and MO of Zodiac crimes).

Whatever the case, I will publish your response in such a way that it may be freely accessed by any interested person.

There is an advantage to you in this. The entire world is aware that you have risked your life to disprove the notion that the Unabomber’s actions were not philosophically motivated, but simply the result of a deviant or warped psychology. I must frankly tell you that the postulated linkage between Zodiac and the Unabomber has grown and persisted in the past five years. Indeed, it shows signs of strengthening in the years to come. I fear that if this theory is not thoroughly refuted, posterity will know the Unabomber not for his principled stand against technology, but for his similarity to a sick and sordid criminal who murdered minor children to assuage his sexual frustrations and shore up a foundering ego. The Zodiac Killer is widely known as “America’s Jack the Ripper.” The Unabomber is fast becoming the “favorite suspect" in a mystery that, because it remains unsolved, will endure for many years to come. You alone can divest him of that distinction.

I thank you for your attention to this matter and encourage you to respond. Enclosed is a small amount of money ($5.00) to defray the cost of postage and stationery.

Sincerely,
Douglas E. Oswell
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Doug told me he never got a reply to this letter.

If TK was NOT the Zodiac, it would be so easy for him to blow this whole idea out of the water, by producing ONE single timecard, paycheck, class attendance sheet, letter, postmarked envelope, photograph or witness.

Doug told me another writer got a response from Ted’s attorney that NO ALIBI for the above dates could be produced. Not that they would not produce any alibi evidence, but that they COULD not.

As for what Ted thinks of theories that he was the Zodiac, he commented on them in one letter that I know about.

Apparently Ted Kaczynski is one of the few people left in the world (besides Robert Graysmith) who thinks Allen was the Zodiac.

Ted relies on the fact that according to him "law enforcement authorities concluded I had no connection with the Zodiac case."

Yep that’s Ted, always a big believer in how right the law enforcement authorities are! This from the man who said the "FBI isn’t going to catch [me] anytime soon. The FBI is a joke." Ted in other places has repeatedly commented on how he thinks people in law enforcement are stupid, inept and incompetent.

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Posted : June 7, 2019 12:17 pm
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Man, that writing, that space between words…

 
Posted : June 7, 2019 12:45 pm
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Man, that writing, that space between words…

You noticed. Look at the following items. Notice, as you already did, the spacing between words and the overall presentation. Also notice the three stroke "k" ‘s, five stroke "m" ‘s, checkmark "r" ‘s, candy cane "f" ‘s, etc. And tomorrow I will post some of the comparison work of Marclean – it is absolutely incredible.

Kaczynski prison note and Zodiac letter, comp created by Doug Oswell:

Kaczynski Application 1966, Zodiac Belli Letter 1969, Comp Image Created by AweShucks and AK Wilks:


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Posted : June 7, 2019 1:03 pm
shaqmeister
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AK, thank you so much for taking the time to reply in such a detailed and well-argued manner. And I certainly take your point about the reasons why he might wish to separate out his political and social ideology from the baser motives of the Zodiac killer and how that could constitute "something to lose."

“This isn’t right! It’s not even wrong!”—Wolfgang Pauli (1900–1958)

 
Posted : June 7, 2019 4:51 pm
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I have never seen writing that has such measured spacing between the words, every word. The zodiac correspondence and the letter that Kaczynski wrote look perfectly identical. They don’t look close they look exactly the same. I’ve never seen anybody in my whole life write like that. Nevermind two separate people. After seeing this evidence I can’t even see looking in any other suspect other than Kaczynski. His writing is going to be the thing that gets him.

 
Posted : June 7, 2019 9:31 pm
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Picture of Harvard University gate. Circle with cross is the symbol. I keep trying to print did she here but it tells me the files too big.

 
Posted : June 7, 2019 9:47 pm
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Thanks AK, fascinating to see Ted actually addressing the accusation.

 
Posted : June 7, 2019 10:03 pm
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In TK’s letter, why the two underscores?

"The guy died long ago _ _ of natural causes". And then he qualifies it with "as far as I know".

Intriguing.

 
Posted : June 8, 2019 4:55 am
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Picture of Harvard University gate. Circle with cross is the symbol. I keep trying to print did she here but it tells me the files too big.

 
Posted : June 8, 2019 6:36 am
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