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AK Wilks
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TECHNOPHOBIA

Is the name of the novel written by Joe LaFollette in 1985, based on long conversations with his friend David Kaczynski. The plot is about a Berkeley professor who hates computers, in particular an artifical intelligence system named LAURA. He starts doing KNIFE MURDERS in a war against society.

Hmm, sounds like anyone David Kaczynski would have known?

The information from David is consistent with Ted doing knife based personal murders like Zodiac, or Valerie Percy, or others. Or was just a figment of David and Joe’s imagination.

When I personally asked David to give his DNA to be compared to what I thought was possible Zodiac DNA, David refused. He told me he didn’t think Ted was the Zodiac or Tylenol Killer, but he refused to give DNA on the grounds that Ted could be "exposed to a possible death penalty." Of course Ted would only face a death penalty if he actually was the Zodiac or Tylenol Killer.

The only copy of the book is in the Library of Congress.

Here is one of the very few excerpts I know of:

"Life as a psychosocial eunuch was too much for him
and he had snapped. I was witnessing the demise
of a scientist. It only reinforced my prejudice towards
this profession of Judases which would sell out the human
race for a laboratory and a sportscar and a Mother machine."

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Posted : September 20, 2013 11:28 pm
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Edited and with new discoveries. Look at more of the shared words, phrases and styles of Ted K and Zodiac, most found by the excellent research of Doug Oswell, some others by myself, Jem, Linda, Kite.

Z = In that epasode the police were wondering as to how I could shoot & hit my victims in the dark. August, 1969 Letter.
K = Well, never mind that stupid episode anyway. GX18-20104, p.22.

Z = The one thing I ask of you is this, please help me. Belli Letter, 1969.
K = But the point is this: If there is such a solution, no one at present seems to know just what it is. 1971 Essay.

Z = It is more fun than killing wild game in the forrest because man is the most dangerou anamal of all. To kill something gives me the most thrilling experience. Three-Part Cipher, 1969.
K = I drove up to Humboldt county for deer hunting…. deer hunting is very exciting. Turchie Affidavit, Addendum, 1996.
He knew how to protect himself from heat, cold, rain, dangerous animals, etc. Unabomber, Manifesto, 1995.

Z = The S.F. Police could have caught me last night if they had searched the park properly instead of holding road races with their motor cicles seeing who could make the most noise. The car drivers should have just parked their cars & sat there quietly waiting for me to come out of cover. Stine Letter, 1969.
K = For example, a variety of noise-making devices: power mowers, radios, motorcycles, etc. If the use of these devices is unrestricted, people who want peace and quiet are frustrated by the noise. Manifesto, 1995.
When I see a motorcyclist tearing up the mountain meadows … I want to kick him in the face while he is dying. GX-2003F, p. 11.
Analysis: Both Zodiac and Kaczynski are annoyed by and comment on motorcycles making a loud noise.

Z = I shall (on top of every thing else) torture all 13 of my slaves that I have wateing for me in Paradice. Some I shall tie over ant hills and watch them scream & twich and squirm. Others shall have pine splinters driven under their nails & then burned. Others shall be placed in cages & fed salt beef untill they are gorged then I shall listen to their pleass for water and I shall laugh at them. Others will hang by their thumbs & burn in the sun then I will rub them down deep heat to warm them up. Others I shall skin them alive & let them run around screaming. The Mikado Letter, 1970.
K = I hadn’t previously been troubled by rats around here, but I just discovered that my pack has been chewed up so badly that it is nearly ruined … This means some deadfalls are going to be set. I hope I catch one of those [expletive] alive–I will torture it to death in the most fiendish manner I can devise. Journal entry, July 31, 1974.

From Doug Oswell http://www.unazod.com :

Z = 2 cops pulled a goof.Seven-Page letter, 1969.
K = The FBI is a joke.New York Times letter, 1995.

Z = As of yet I have left no fingerprints behind me contrary to what the police say. Seven-Page Letter, 1969.
K = Contrary to what the FBI has suggested, our bombing at the California Forestry Association was in no way inspired by the Oklahoma City bombing. New York Times Letter, 1995.

Z = The Map COUPLED WITH THIS code will tell you where the bomb is set. Map Bomb Letter 1970
K = and COUPLED WITH THIS the trait of hypersensitivity. FC to Earth First letter

Z = police better get off their fat asses if they want to catch me. Zodiac, LA Times letter, 1971.
K = She had a fat ass. Ellen poem.

Z = do something "nasty". Zodiac Exorcist letter, 1974.
K = this "nasty" affair. Ellen letter.

Z = Suggests body can be found AROUND IN THE SNOW. Pines Card 1971.
K = Suggests after shooting a rabbit its body can be found "AROUND IN THE SNOW." Technological Slavery, on page 400.

Z = Police should have "sat there quietly waiting for me to come out of cover." Zodiac Stine Letter, October 13, 1969, to SF Chronicle.
K = "I went down there and watched, from cover, a guy with a bulldozer…". Unabomber: The Secret Life of Ted Kaczynski, by Chris Waits and Dave Shors, p. 278.
Analysis: Both Zodiac and Kaczynski descibe hiding from and watching enemies behind forestry as from "cover", a military term.

Z = "was a negro about 40 -45 rather shabbly dressed." Zodiac Letter of August 4, 1969, to SF Examiner.
K = "their homes looked shabby". Technological Slavery, p. 397.

Z = BE SURE TO PRINT the part I marked out on page 3 or I shall do my thing.
K = BE SURE TO tell us where and how our material will be published and how long it will take to appear in PRINT once we have sent in the manuscript.

Z = ‘I am mildly cerous as to how much money you have on my head now?’ and ‘What is the price tag now?’.
K = ‘25,000 dollar reward offered. Rather flattering.’
Analysis: Both commented on their bounties in a boastful way.

Z = DANGEROUE. 408 Code
K = YESTERDAE. Unabomber Code
Analysis: Both Zodiac and Kaczynski have a code in which in order to increase difficulty of solution they change the last consonant (S, Y) in a word to the vowel "E".

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Posted : January 6, 2014 7:18 pm
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Bumped for singing detective and others.

See handwriting comps on page one of this thread.

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Posted : December 24, 2014 5:09 am
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One standout I have found is that Z always used a wide open 4. (that I have found) so far. The down stroke is right at the end. Ted nearly always used a closed 4. If you were disguising your writing it’s something I don’t think you would conciously do to the numbers, I think you would be more focused on the letters.

 
Posted : December 24, 2014 6:34 am
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One standout I have found is that Z always used a wide open 4. (that I have found) so far. The down stroke is right at the end. Ted nearly always used a closed 4. If you were disguising your writing it’s something I don’t think you would conciously do to the numbers, I think you would be more focused on the letters.

If you wish to disregard that both Z and TK created codes, designed bombs, made bomb threats, used crossed lines inside a circle as a signature, drew crossed lines inside a circle at a crime scene, used dozens of the same words and phrases and had handwriting matches like three stroke K’s, five stroke M’s, checkmark R’s, etc., etc., if you personally wish to disregard all that because Ted nearly "always" did a closed 4 and Z an open 4, than that is your right. You may disregard Ted. We will miss you, we will mourn your absence, but we will try to carry on. ;)

In all seriousness, if you or anyone wants to disregard Ted, or any other suspect, for any reason, it is OK by me.

I think it is silly to disregard a ton of evidence because of any one thing, but that is me.

You said Ted "nearly always" did a closed 4, well I think he usually did, but not always. This looks like an open 4 to me here, in the second line in the 1964. :shock:

Zodiac often but not always did a 3 stroke "k", Kaczynski often but not always did a 3 stroke "k". Zodiac often did a 5 stroke "m", same as Ted. Other matches include the checkmark "r", short caps and bottom on the capital "I" and frequent cursive looped back on the "d". Look at Ted’s "k" in "Park" – a clear 3 stroke. Morrill said few people in the general population do 3 stroke "k" or 5 stroke "m" so those would be things he would look for. I also blew up the Ted letter to the boy.

GRAPHICS AND RESEARCH BY AK WILKS AND AWESHUCKS – A HANDWRITING COMPARISON – ZODIAC AND KACZYNSKI



From Doug Oswell, the Application Bio by Kaczynski to the U Cal Berkeley, December 1966.

The writing looks particularly Zodiac like to me, compare it to the Belli letter.


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Posted : December 24, 2014 9:01 am
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Wow very tender Mr Wilks ,Jeez I was only making an observation. Sure Ted did all that stuff. Just didn’t do the 4 right enough for me, but really hard to compare with the few known writings of Z. I do not profess to and am not disciplined in the art of forensic handwriting analalsys. And I don’t discount anyone, you made that asumption on my behalf for which I dont accept, and one certainly would not discount anyone because of a singular digit, the number 4. Lots to like about similarities in teddys writings, forensically have any professionals ever declared him and Z one and the same in writing? If so case closed! We move on. So back to the 4, you will find one or two of z closed. But nearly all teds open . Be your own Devils advocate, that’s the hardest thing to do. Simple observations in a discussion does not need your shitty reply because it does not suit you. And you will mourn my absense? WTF…. No smilies.

 
Posted : December 24, 2014 10:40 am
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Just using a little humor.

My point was you are entitled to your opinion. It seemed to me you were DQing a suspect on the basis of how he wrote 4.

Maybe I am just frustrated with the case.

I wish you well. Happy holidays to you and everyone.

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Posted : December 24, 2014 10:48 am
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I am only a newbie and can only imagine the frustrations you zodiac hunters are going through in such a complex case. I wish you all the best in your endeavors and I to wish you and your family and friends a great festive season. Hopefully in the new year something will come to light that will clear the case for all of the devoted hard work installed into this web site.
Cheers to all who celebrate the season upon us..

 
Posted : December 24, 2014 11:43 am
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I’ve poured through several pieces of his handwriting and can’t find one example of the ‘+’ style and sign.
This bothers me.
The one stroke, down from the top, going back up and to the left, before looping back to the right type of and sign
appears in at least the first half dozen Z letters.
But not a TK trait, as far as I can tell.

 
Posted : December 25, 2014 12:44 am
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Very well then. If you wish to exclude TK because he does a + sign differently then that is your choice.

To me it does not make sense to disregard all the evidence above because of ONE trait like a 4 or a + .

But that is me. To each their own.

I have mostly given up hope that the FBI or police or amateurs or message boards will solve Zodiac or Tylenol.

Right now I am bored and frustrated with the Z case. My time outside of work and family and friends is more involved with researching and writing on other (non-crime) subjects.

In fact I just had an article accepted for publication in a magazine on sci-fi writer Philip K Dick and unusual experiences he and other writers and researchers have undergone. :)

I hope everyone has a great holiday.

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Posted : December 25, 2014 1:33 am
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Very well then. If you wish to exclude TK because he does a + sign differently then that is your choice.

To me it does not make sense to disregard all the evidence above because of ONE trait like a 4 or a + .

But that is me. To each their own.

I have mostly given up hope that the FBI or police or amateurs or message boards will solve Zodiac or Tylenol.

Right now I am bored and frustrated with the Z case. My time outside of work and family and friends is more involved with researching and writing on other (non-crime) subjects.

In fact I just had an article accepted for publication in a magazine on sci-fi writer Philip K Dick and unusual experiences he and other writers and researchers have undergone. :)

I hope everyone has a great holiday.

kudos on your article! After its published, please share it with us! Happy for you!
Zincerely, Zam*

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If Zodiac ever joined a Z forum, I’m sure he would have been banned for not following forum rules. Zam’s/Quote
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Posted : December 25, 2014 7:04 am
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Thanks Zam. I will.

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to everyone.

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Posted : December 25, 2014 10:27 pm
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Thanks to SEAGULL for passing along these documents to me. A lot of good printing from Ted here, so it is very well suited for handwriting comparisons to Zodiac. I will have all the pages posted later, and make some comparisons to Z handwriting. But right off from the start, a bird that flies near the ocean noticed that Kaczynski’s description at top of page 5, sixth line down, of wasting time "hew and haw and fiddle around" is very similar to Zodiac’s description of the police wasting time "fiddle and fart around " in LA Times letter!

So both Zodiac and Ted Kaczynski describe wasting time as "fiddle around". That is interesting in and of itself, but even more so when considered along with the dozens and dozens of other word and phrase matches, like "around in the snow", "contrary to what police say", "deplorable", "rather messy", etc, and the handwriting matches like three stroke "K" ‘s, five stroke "M" ‘s, etc. See them all starting here: viewtopic.php?f=102&t=250


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Posted : May 6, 2015 11:18 pm
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Thanks to MARCLEAN who did some amazing work showing the incredible similarity between Zodiac handwriting and Kaczynski handwriting.

OK !!! Mr. Ak Willks !!! ;)
I’m looking at various correspondences the Unabomber (MF ), and I will try to "build" an entire letter from ZKMF to see what the outcome.
Marcelo

AK Wilks: Wow great idea, look forward to seeing it.

I resized your work so people can see all of it in one image.

The top part of the following image, the Zodiac letter and Kaczynski application comparison, was done by AweShucks. The new excellent work at the bottom, with the Zodiac car door, Zodiac and Kaczynski word comparisons, was done by Marclean.

Marclean: I did some "play" with paint, in fact the similarity in spelling [handwriting, word formation, spacing – AK Wilks] is giant.
It is one of the POI (my) favorite
Marcelo :)

Marclean: Thanks Mr Ak . :)
Hello .
Started today, I had taken a few days to complete.
But, I was horrified with the beginning, leaving me with it and excited to continue.
I am using the following criteria:
1- Do not force letters that are more similar.
2-Use words or whole or partial to better reliability.

share this post an image link "draft", because in fact, it’s worth it (in my opinion).

I repeat.
It is frightening resemblance, so I think it’s worth me finish this
It is also frightening that do not have the authorities have done DNA testing with Kazinski.
Marcelo

"Base Letter" Una . :

"Zodiac Letter

"The construction Draft Z-Una"

ps:I will take a few weeks, for three reasons.
Try to be precise, something about the Z I have done and lack of time.
But I will definitely finish this. ;)

Marclean: Hello. :D

I figured it would take longer, but I managed, after get the hang of doing this in a few hours.
It is not accurate, but I did the best I could.
below are links of the letters "matrix" Ted K. of which "took" the "stuff" to construct the similar letter to ZMF. (images below mentioned links)
happiness to all.
Marcelo ;)
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/750×970/documents/0812081unabomber1.gif
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/750×970/documents/0812081unabomber2.gif
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/750×970/documents/0812081unabomber3.gif


Marclean: As always, I made this little game with the letters in "caps Lk" letters" TK.
(I had thought of that when I made the anagram, but only now had time)
I reiterate, the resemblance is giant with ZMF is huge.
Marcelo :)

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/750×970/documents/0812081unabomber1.gif

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Posted : January 17, 2016 4:26 am
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absolutely Mr AK Wilks ;) , I returned from vacation on the beach tanned by the sun and with ideas (most BS) If you allow me I will "produce" more material to this topic later this year.
I repeat, I am surprised of TK have not been thoroughly investigated in the case of ZK, I find it strange (it would be an agreement between TK and the prosecution of justice :?: ), well, I guess we’ll never know.
happy New Year !!! :D

Marcelo

https://zodiacode1933.blogspot.com/

 
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