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Investigators have said in many different cases that they will keep information about the case from the public to see if a suspect may mention that private information in an interview. The suspect’s awareness of any info not publicly released could help implicate him/her in the crime. Furthermore, if the investigators release false info publicly about a crime and the suspect in an interview actually provides the correct information on the crime this could also help implicate him/her.

Can we be so sure that all the information released publicly in Zodiac’s case is accurate, even the released FBI files?

Are there any examples of absent or false info in the Z case that we know of?

Really interested in this. I’m sure someone here knows. Thank you.

 
Posted : June 15, 2015 6:58 pm
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As for absent files, almost all of the SFPD case files have not been seen by the general public. I think the same goes for Riverside PD’s files.

I would think that the majority of Vallejo, Solano County, Napa County, and CA DOJ are available. Any depts that I’m leaving out?

All of the FBI files have been released to the public. They have been redacted for privacy, including several whole pages, but the records do specify which pages are missing, so they are all accounted for.

The FBI files are the only official case files to be released to the public. The other ones were leaked by former members of LE or the public who had obtained copies of them, that is why they are incomplete.

All of the information in those files is accurate, or at least it is factual to the knowledge of the people who filled out the reports. Some of it is in fact wrong, but that is because of human error not intentional misinformation.

Any intentional false information or withheld information would be in press releases or in public statements. The accounts of the Zodiac in San Fran probably contains some false information. I believe that the writing "by knife" on the car door at Lake B was initially withheld, and some of the writing and letters contents were withheld from newspaper publication.

 
Posted : June 17, 2015 2:37 pm
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I was told by an FBI investigator that what the public has access to is the tip of the iceberg. We know the FBI has pages they won’t release for privacy reasons–or stuff they never received apparently…like the "In the Wood dies April" card.

I think getting a hold of some of that stuff was quite lucky and I thank Tom Voigt for getting his hands on the majority of what we were allowed to see publicly, and sharing it years ago.


…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep. L.A. Times, 1969

 
Posted : June 17, 2015 8:31 pm
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The SFPD stuff would be the big one.

Hardly anything there. Pelissetti’s report and Stine’s record of death – and that’s it, really. Well, apart from Fouke’s memo, that is.

No reports whatsoever from the people who actually investigated the case.

That’s for absent. As for false, duck summed it up. The "by knife" detail was clearly held back. And certain letters which were "flagged" (whether rightly or not) were not published. I doubt very much there was anything about those letters which went beyond content and writing – but if we are to simply assume that Zodiac wrote them, I sure hope there was something else.

 
Posted : June 17, 2015 9:23 pm
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Very informative. Thanks guys. What I wouldn’t do to see the rest of that iceberg that lurks under that cold water. Definitely thankful for the info dug up by Tom and other sleuths.

 
Posted : June 18, 2015 12:10 am
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Yeah, no doubt the SFPD still has a lot of stuff. We also know the FBI has stuff they won’t release. As Tahoe mentioned, there’s the ‘In the woods dies April’ letter, the rumored DMV letter, and there were several more mentioned in the FBI files that were not released either because they don’t want to jeopardize an investigation,or they just can’t find them.
I have a pretty good amount of stuff,most of it has been seen by the public I’m sure, but I have stuff that’s unredacted, so I am wary of putting it out there with the names visible. In the end, I agree, what we have in the way of Zodiac files is likely to be 10% of what there is, at best.

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Posted : June 18, 2015 1:47 am
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I am not familiar with the letter that says, "In the woods,dies,April." However, after studying it, I may have a possible answer.

First of all, Zodiac was fond of misdirection. For example threat to destroy a school bus never amounted to anything, and just resulted in a lot of needless precautions. In this spirit, I think that the Monticello reference is a fake clue. More likely, he knew of Monticello in relation to Lake Berryessa and threw it in to confuse the matter.

"April dies in the woods," however, sounds more like Zodiac. He was notorious for announcing murders, and as Graysmith has noted, was relatively truthful about it. And, there is an unsolved murder in southern Oregon near the California border, in a forest! It was also near a body of water (Klamath River) as all Zodiac killings were.

The body was discovered in 1971, but the death could well have taken place as much as a year earlier. It was located in a dump near mile marker 35′ off of Highway 101, which Zodiac had used before. The decedent was a red headed female, approximately 14 – 25 years of age. Again, well within the Zodiac parameters. Most intriguingly, she wore a ring with the initials "A. L." Scratched into it! April, perhaps?

For further information go to http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/404ufor.html

 
Posted : January 19, 2016 6:59 pm
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Hi-

I wonder all the time if the alleged "DMV" letter, which Tom Voigt says exists and that he had been close to getting his hands on it, is a hold back or a rumor.

Mike

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Posted : January 20, 2016 7:19 pm
AK Wilks
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I am not familiar with the letter that says, "In the woods,dies,April." However, after studying it, I may have a possible answer.

First of all, Zodiac was fond of misdirection. For example threat to destroy a school bus never amounted to anything, and just resulted in a lot of needless precautions. In this spirit, I think that the Monticello reference is a fake clue. More likely, he knew of Monticello in relation to Lake Berryessa and threw it in to confuse the matter.

"April dies in the woods," however, sounds more like Zodiac. He was notorious for announcing murders, and as Graysmith has noted, was relatively truthful about it. And, there is an unsolved murder in southern Oregon near the California border, in a forest! It was also near a body of water (Klamath River) as all Zodiac killings were.

The body was discovered in 1971, but the death could well have taken place as much as a year earlier. It was located in a dump near mile marker 35′ off of Highway 101, which Zodiac had used before. The decedent was a red headed female, approximately 14 – 25 years of age. Again, well within the Zodiac parameters. Most intriguingly, she wore a ring with the initials "A. L." Scratched into it! April, perhaps?

For further information go to http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/404ufor.html

Very interesting. I bumped the thread on the "In the woods dies April" letter, in the section Unconfirmed Zodiac Letters. You can see the info here: viewtopic.php?f=69&t=1353

This is one of the very few clues or possible victims that could fit that letter.

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Posted : January 21, 2016 10:36 pm
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