Hi-

Thanks for the clarification. In the Norwegian dictionary I copied years ago, "karmann" was translated as "man." That is all I know.

Regardless, it is comprised of Norwegian words and not words that are native to, say, South Dakota or Vallejo.

Mike

The word "Karmann" that Zodiac inclueded in his letter, was IMO no doubt, only to describe the car Hartnell was driving; a "Karmann Ghia".
So to claim, if that was your intention?, that this word was to secretly decribe his identity, is indeed a stretch IMHO.

However I do find your POI a pretty good POI, and I indeed respect your reseach and case against KQ.

I am 99% certain that Zodiac was a lone assailant instead of a team of killers working together as some theories are suggesting.

I am 99% certain that Zodiac was a lone assailant instead of a team of killers working together as some theories are suggesting.

Just curious, Eduard, what makes you so sure? I could go either way on it, could definitely see two people working together.

The idea that the killer at lake Berryessa being over 200 pounds and less that two weeks later is a much smaller man, makes me a believer of more than one. Look at the composites , nothing a like. One has dark brown hair the other lighter hair. One very round face, S.F. he has a oval shaped face. I guess if he could lose about 45 pounds in that short time it would make his face thinner.

The guy seen at the lake, wasn’t wearing an outfit with a circled cross on it. That would have been a smoking gun. I believe that guy that. Was seen could have been a possible witness. But who knows for sure ?

The guy seen at the lake, wasn’t wearing an outfit with a circled cross on it. That would have been a smoking gun. I believe that guy that. was seen could have been a possible witness. But who knows for sure

The guy seen at the lake, wasn’t wearing an outfit with a circled cross on it. That would have been a smoking gun. I believe that guy that was seen could have been a possible witness. But who knows for sure

The guy seen at the lake, wasn’t wearing an outfit with a circled cross on it. That would have been a smoking gun. I believe that guy that was seen could have been a possible witness. But who knows for sure

Hi Eduard, Perhaps I wasn’t clear,the person who left the foot prints at the crime scene was wearing the costume, those prints were how they figured out the killers weight to be about 220# and that he was wearing wing walker boots. The LB composite was from the girls that were sun bathing and there isn’t any proof that that person was Zodiac. His car certainly wasn’t the one that parked behind Hartnells car. We know that by the inside wheel base measurements of 57 inches, they were too close together to be a 1966 Chevy that the girls saw the man sitting in. The killers footprints were seen by both cars on Knoxville rd. Another reason for the Det. to know the car parked behind Hartnell’s car, belonged to the killer.

Sandy….

In re-reading through the police report Z’s weight doesn’t seem to come from the cast taken of the shoe prints left by Z. It seemed to be used to ID the type of shoe, but sounds more like they were going with the gals and Bryan’s description.
It’s interesting that if the car the gals saw was a 66-67 Chevy and no Chevy made in those years wheelbase matched what LE thought Z was driving, then why would LE have composite made from who gals saw if they knew the person the gals saw couldn’t be Z? Z would have had to have 2 cars up there (which wouldn’t make any sense).
If LE had faith in their own assessment of the crime scene, and they knew the wheelbase of Z’s car was 57", and that didn’t match the car the gals saw then why link who the gals saw at all to Z? You would think that the gals got a good enough look at the car their perv was driving that LE, with the gals help, could have positively ID’d what car their perv was driving. Only so many types of 2 door Chevy’s made, if none of their wheelbases match then that proves the perv the gals ran into wasn’t Z.
And yet we always debate the 2 composites not matching, when the LB composite may not have been Z at all, if LE’s investigation was accurate. Just my thoughts….

I totally agree with Bayarea60s on this one. Sometimes the most logical explaination is the right one.

I’m certain the crosshair symbol is much more than just a crosshair symbol. It has astrological associations, as a sign for the earth, it also has racist associations as the celtic cross, as well as associations with the occult. As a symbol it was obviously of great importance to The Zodiac. Personally I think it represents Odin’s cross.

Odin means Allfather in Norse. He is represented as the furious one, as in the red phanthom (red with rage). Odin, in fact, stands for everything Zodiac stands for. They are high, almighty executionors. They both represent war, defeat, death, astrology, violence, cunning and deception.

At this point I think Mike R. has presented so much circumstantial evidence of this man, KQ, who happened to be outside walking a few blocks away that night in PH, that if we had to place bets, I know who I’d put my money on to be at least somehow involved.

I still think it’s possible that there could be more than one man at work here, but let’s say it is one guy working alone, than shouldn’t the composite and descriptions provided by witnesses in PH take precedence over all others, and if they don’t fit, it renders those other descriptions useless. KQ matches the description that matters.

I wonder in the unsolved ciphers are written in Norse.

I think the Zodiac name & crosshair symbol likely came from the watch company, just seems too much like a coincidence that the name & symbol appear together. Then again, I think the zodiac likely may have stole his name from ‘zode’ in San Bernardino. If Zode really used to walk around saying "this is the zodiac speaking" in 64-65, then it seems highly likely that Zodiac stole that persona from him, and even wrote it in his letter. If not familiar with Zode,here’s his thread:
viewtopic.php?f=47&t=72

Sandy….

In re-reading through the police report Z’s weight doesn’t seem to come from the cast taken of the shoe prints left by Z. It seemed to be used to ID the type of shoe, but sounds more like they were going with the gals and Bryan’s description.
It’s interesting that if the car the gals saw was a 66-67 Chevy and no Chevy made in those years wheelbase matched what LE thought Z was driving, then why would LE have composite made from who gals saw if they knew the person the gals saw couldn’t be Z? Z would have had to have 2 cars up there (which wouldn’t make any sense).
If LE had faith in their own assessment of the crime scene, and they knew the wheelbase of Z’s car was 57", and that didn’t match the car the gals saw then why link who the gals saw at all to Z? You would think that the gals got a good enough look at the car their perv was driving that LE, with the gals help, could have positively ID’d what car their perv was driving. Only so many types of 2 door Chevy’s made, if none of their wheelbases match then that proves the perv the gals ran into wasn’t Z.
And yet we always debate the 2 composites not matching, when the LB composite may not have been Z at all, if LE’s investigation was accurate. Just my thoughts….

BA60’s, It is my understanding that a compression test was done to determine the weight. That they used someone who weighed 200# and those didn’t sink a deep as the ones left by the killer.
If the guy that the girls saw was the Z, then either they were very mistaken about his car, or the wheel measurements were off. Or like you say the Z had two cars up there which is not likely. He would have had to bleach his hair for it to become lighter in S.F., or like I have said there were two Zodiac’s working in tandem, or he did wear wigs as a disquise. Wigs don’t become wet when you sweat, it drips sweat from underneath the wig, so it couldn’t have been a wig that Hartnell saw under the hood.He said the hair looked wet from sweat. Do you know of any cars that had a wheel base of 57 or so inches ? Aren’t VW’s close to that ?

^^Or, the tires tracks 20 feet behind Bryan’s car weren’t left by the attacker’s car.

The report never states there were prints found between both cars. I find it odd there would be prints to Bryan’s car, but none in the 20 feet to the alleged POI’s car.

Sandy Stated….

"BA60’s, It is my understanding that a compression test was done to determine the weight. That they used someone who weighed 200# and those didn’t sink a deep as the ones left by the killer.
If the guy that the girls saw was the Z, then either they were very mistaken about his car, or the wheel measurements were off. Or like you say the Z had two cars up there which is not likely. He would have had to bleach his hair for it to become lighter in S.F., or like I have said there were two Zodiac’s working in tandem, or he did wear wigs as a disquise. Wigs don’t become wet when you sweat, it drips sweat from underneath the wig, so it couldn’t have been a wig that Hartnell saw under the hood.He said the hair looked wet from sweat. Do you know of any cars that had a wheel base of 57 or so inches ? Aren’t VW’s close to that ?"

Yeah they never mention doing a compression test. They mention that they made casts from up by where the cars were parked, I guess that would be pretty hard packed dirt. Then by the Stiles, before you start down the path leading down to the beach area. Then they mention sand, I guess that’s by the water’s edge, by the top of the peninsula where Z would have crossed over to where Bryan and Cecilia were. Throughout the Police Report it refers to other reports that were made, that I guess we’ll never get to see. Now it could be that’s where compression tests would be, if they did them. I wouldn’t see why they wouldn’t have done them.
I recall some of our Board Car enthusiasts did a thorough job of the cars that would fit the wheel base that was mentioned. I don’t recall them coming up with any 2 door ’66-’67 Chevy mentioned in their study. But that’s to say the gals got the year and model correct. I would think the cops could have nailed down the year and model with the gals. That wouldn’t be that hard to do.
Again when I get my hair cut shorter it appears much lighter, until it grows out again. So if Z got a haircut between 9/27/69 & 10/11/69, that could explain the lighter color then what Bryan had seen.
Bryan says Z seemed like a sloppy dresser, and his gut seemed to overhang his belt. I could see a reason for this that might not have to do with Z’s weight. Cecilia had reported to Bryan that Z had made his way down and had ducked behind the Oak Tree. That tells me Cecilia saw Z briefly and recognized Z as the same guy she had been watching when he was over on McKenzie Point. So Z didn’t have his costume on yet, that’s what he did behind the Oak Tree. And in his haste, and however he had that costume with him, I could see that he didn’t get himself all put together neatly. He has several layers on his upper torso, plus the belt with the knife, gun and holster and the plastic ties. that would add a bit of bulk, at least bulky looking to ones appearance.