My point is regarding the photo, I remember many years back taking pictures at a rock concert with a decent camera but no zoom. We had good seats maybe 5th row but when we got the pictures developed it look so far away and had to tell people that we had a way better view then it look in the pictures. Also don’t remember hearing anything mention about the fog the night of the Stine murder.

Field of view / focal point of camera versus the human eye might come into play.

For whatever reason I started posting on this thread somewhere in the middle? Tonight I saw the spread sheet for the first time, it was nicely done except I noticed something that doesn’t seem correct to me, please correct me if I am wrong. The section about July 4-5th has Mike M saying the shooter had blond hair? All of the reports that I read , he said brown hair. One report he said curly brown hair. Please show the report where he said blond hair!
The only time I remember the Zodiac’s hair possibly being light was Fouke’s statement and then he said it could have been the lighting. Everyone else said brown or dark brown. Something else that caught my attention, is that in the composite drawing, one eye is larger than the other. Can it be a coincidence that my Honcho suspect has one eye larger than the other and it is his right ( The lazy eye)
After reading the other night on ZK.com the report showing Darlene’s sister Linda saying her sister’s killer had a half frozen face. That explains so many things that we know about the Zodiac. I have said my POI has a paralyzed face on one side, that is the same thing as Linda’s half of the face being frozen description.

That also explains the slow precise way Zodiac spoke and how that could sound like a drawl to Hartnell ( But not like a southern drawl ). The slowness in his speech sounding like he was reading a script to Nancy Slover. My young teen boy eyewitness who spoke to Honcho in Vallejo in the late 80’s , said coffee dribbled out of the corner of his mouth onto his shirt and that didn’t seem to bother him. Part of his mouth is also paralyzed, is why that happened. And again is why he has such a distinctive sounding voice , extremely monotone. Like Kathleen Johns said, the words just came out without expression.
The man Linda described has to be the same man I am constantly posting about. She saw the picture of Honcho and said he was Larry Kane. ( He is not Kane) The picture I took of him shows part of the back of his hair, which shows reddish brown. He has a barrel chest , is not more than 5 ft 9 or 10. has a protruding stomach, scars along his jawline, hazel deadpan eyes. Walks with his head down, wears glasses, chain smoker. He drives many different cars and trucks. The one in Vallejo-Napa looked like a light golden tan Mercury Comet, which is very much like the car Mike M said the shooter drove. It had a center console and buckets, like K Johns said her abductor drove. I believe she gave the best description of Zodiac than anyone else!

For whatever reason I started posting on this thread somewhere in the middle? Tonight I saw the spread sheet for the first time, it was nicely done except I noticed something that doesn’t seem correct to me, please correct me if I am wrong. The section about July 4-5th has Mike M saying the shooter had blond hair? All of the reports that I read , he said brown hair. One report he said curly brown hair. Please show the report where he said blond hair!

Second paragraph:

http://www.zodiackiller.com/DFR10.html

Saying "blond", instead of light brown hair that looked "almost" blond ,is making people believe the shooter didn’t have brown hair. If Mike saw only his profile when the dome light of the shooters car came on ,the lighting could have made the brown hair look lighter than it actually was. Many more witnesses said the man who was following her had brown hair. It’s too bad that Mike didn’t give a description of the man who was parked , that he asked Darlene if she knew him? That was more than likely the shooter and he did see that man. I find it hard to believe that Darlene did not tell Mike that she was being followed, unless she was afraid of what Mike might do?

There was a man that Christina saw that night who was talking to Darlene, who had champagne colored hair, but his hair was combed straight back, so he wasn’t the shooter. I wonder how Mike could see that the man didn’t have a mustache , didn’t wear glasses and that he had a large face, if he was only able to a side of his face and from a distance?

The man I saw a few months earlier in Vallejo/ Napa, had brown curly hair with a round shaped face. His Afro hair style made his face look much larger than it was. The car that Mike said looked like Darlene’s car but only a bit bigger ,lighter in color and that it also looked liked a Falcon, is a match to the car I saw the man who I believe is Zodiac was driving. These can’t all be just coincidences.

Now that I have read Linda’s report , saying her sister’s killer had a "half" frozen face, I have no doubt whatsoever , that my suspect is that man! I have seen him with and without a mustache, same with the glasses, he has access to many different cars and trucks. Thanks for your reply and happy that you care enough to put together spreadsheet.

Saying "blond", instead of light brown hair that looked "almost" blond ,is making people believe the shooter didn’t have brown hair.

Mike saw what he saw. I don’t think you can say for certainty what color hair the Zodiac had.

If Mike saw only his profile when the dome light of the shooters car came on ,

Where in the police report does it say this? I thought he saw the shooter’s profile as he walked back to his car after the shooting.

Many more witnesses said the man who was following her had brown hair.

This isn’t completely accurate. One of the girls at LB described his hair as "black". Another described it simply as "dark" The Robbins kids described the hair as "reddish-blonde". Foulke said it was "light colored". The hair color identified by witnesses varied pretty widely.

Hair color is tricky to describe. I have posted three photos down below. I think the descriptions of the color would also be rather wide.

Saying "blond", instead of light brown hair that looked "almost" blond ,is making people believe the shooter didn’t have brown hair.

Mike saw what he saw. I don’t think you can say for certainty what color hair the Zodiac had.

If Mike saw only his profile when the dome light of the shooters car came on ,

Where in the police report does it say this? I thought he saw the shooter’s profile as he walked back to his car after the shooting.

Many more witnesses said the man who was following her had brown hair.

This isn’t completely accurate. One of the girls at LB described his hair as "black". Another described it simply as "dark" The Robbins kids described the hair as "reddish-blonde". Foulke said it was "light colored". The hair color identified by witnesses varied pretty widely.

Hair color is tricky to describe. I have posted three photos down below. I think the descriptions of the color would also be rather wide.

If Mike saw him as he was walking back to his car , he would have seen the back of his head , not his profile. He saw his profile as he opened his car door to reload the gun before returning to shoot them again. The teen girls who were at Lake B said they saw a man with black hair driving a much larger car than the car tires measurement that the detectives found at the crime scene. So we can’t call them true witnesses to seeing Zodiac at all. I have the original wanted poster that says reddish brown hair 25 to 30 yrs old five foot 8 to 9, dated Oct.13th 69. You might want to read this link to see why I believe the man had brown hair.
the-sandy-betts-story-t8160.html

There is nothing in the police reports to indicate that Mike M. saw Zodiac illuminated in the light of his car. More likely, Mike saw his profile from the back seat as Z walked from the passenger door back to his car.

Secondly, the car that the co-eds described is never definitively identified so it is impossible to determine it’s exact make or size. We also can’t be certain what make or size car Z drove based on the tire measurements or track width either. They could very well be the same car.

Yes, the sketch does say "reddish-brown", but the CA DOJ report says "reddish-blonde hair".

My point is that based upon the differing eye witness reports, we cannot accurately conclude what color hair the Zodiac had.

There is nothing in the police reports to indicate that Mike M. saw Zodiac illuminated in the light of his car. More likely, Mike saw his profile from the back seat as Z walked from the passenger door back to his car.

Secondly, the car that the co-eds described is never definitively identified so it is impossible to determine it’s exact make or size. We also can’t be certain what make or size car Z drove based on the tire measurements or track width either. They could very well be the same car.

Yes, the sketch does say "reddish-brown", but the CA DOJ report says "reddish-blonde hair".

My point is that based upon the differing eye witness reports, we cannot accurately conclude what color hair the Zodiac had.

At least we know he wasn’t bald

Johns should not be in this discussion. Not canonical and in all likelihood not Z.

Johns should not be in this discussion. Not canonical and in all likelihood not Z.

Agreed. That’s why I did not include her in the compilation.

Johns should not be in this discussion. Not canonical and in all likelihood not Z.

Agreed. That’s why I did not include her in the compilation.

Why? Because Z confessed to it, like to CJB?

"On July 24, 1970 Zodiac mailed a letter to the Chronicle, apparently taking credit for the crime."
http://www.zodiackiller.com/Johns.html

Or how many women with baby had gotten their car burnt (‘where I found them’) after having a few hours ride?
http://www.zodiackiller.com/JohnsLetter21.html

Or because she recognised him on the sketch? Or because she had accidentially survived? KJ met Z, jmo.

QT

Johns should not be in this discussion. Not canonical and in all likelihood not Z.

Agreed. That’s why I did not include her in the compilation.

Why? Because Z confessed to it, like to CJB?

"On July 24, 1970 Zodiac mailed a letter to the Chronicle, apparently taking credit for the crime."
http://www.zodiackiller.com/Johns.html

Or how many women with baby had gotten their car burnt (‘where I found them’) after having a few hours ride?
http://www.zodiackiller.com/JohnsLetter21.html

Or because she recognised him on the sketch? Or because she had accidentially survived? KJ met Z, jmo.

QT

her story doesn’t make sense.
she sat in his car for two hours while the guy drove around and mumbled threats but has basically no information about him other than he looks like the sketch? why did she wait two hours? why did he drive around in big circles?

she jumped out of a moving vehicle while pregnant and holding a baby yet he couldn’t find her on the side of the road (noting initial reports were that he drove off, subsequent reports were that he was searching for her)? how could a pregnant woman with a one year old jump out of a car and not only not get injured but somehow manage to hide quickly enough that the driver couldn’t find her?

zodiac then goes back to her car and lights it on fire, only it’s not quite where she said it was so we assume he fixed the tire, drove it a bit, then lit it on fire?

assuming it was zodiac, what was his end game? drive around for a few more hours? eventually bore her to death? hope she would escape, see his picture, and make headlines with her story?

doesn’t pass my sniff test whatsoever. your mileage may vary.

What are the odds Johns encountered another glasses-wearing, crew-cut, kiddie-threatening psychopath? Unless you think she fabricated the story and made herself the target of a serial killer.

Bear in mind this was in the day before security cameras, alarm systems and smartphones. Nancy Slover had to carry a firearm in case Zodiac hunted her down.

her story doesn’t make sense.
she sat in his car for two hours while the guy drove around and mumbled threats but has basically no information about him other than he looks like the sketch? why did she wait two hours? why did he drive around in big circles?

she jumped out of a moving vehicle while pregnant and holding a baby yet he couldn’t find her on the side of the road (noting initial reports were that he drove off, subsequent reports were that he was searching for her)? how could a pregnant woman with a one year old jump out of a car and not only not get injured but somehow manage to hide quickly enough that the driver couldn’t find her?

zodiac then goes back to her car and lights it on fire, only it’s not quite where she said it was so we assume he fixed the tire, drove it a bit, then lit it on fire?

assuming it was zodiac, what was his end game? drive around for a few more hours? eventually bore her to death? hope she would escape, see his picture, and make headlines with her story?

doesn’t pass my sniff test whatsoever. your mileage may vary.

You are asking why a deranged psychopath who shot random people to death and sent bizarre letters to the press would behave erratically. Surely it explains itself?

That said, how Kathleen’s baby was not injured in the scenario she described is a good question, possibly better discussed in another thread.