LHR – "the ground was too cold and hard" seems to be the answer I’ve heard most often, although there was that pesky heel print behind the fence.
BRS – no mention.
And we have size 8 – 10 prints at Riverside, 10 1/2’s at LB. I wonder which prints do not belong to The Zodiac?
(Currently I’m wondering if any of them do. But then, I’m riddled with doubt. )

You doubt the Wing Walker prints, Smithy? Interesting.

Nacht, I doubt everything. It’s terrible.

Smithy:

Is this doubting an ongoing personal problem or specific to this case?

If it is specific to the Zodiac I would enjoy hearing your doubts.

Mamyt – you wouldn’t want to hear my personal problems, I doubt.

My Zodiacal doubts pop up unbidden in a lot of threads. (It would be quite wrong to hijack this one…..). Hello to you, btw, and please post more.

The footprints at Berryessa go between the crime scene and the car door, in both directions. I wonder if they found them elsewhere, since that’s not mentioned anywhere. I also wonder if they went to the location where the girls saw their stalker to try and find them there. Or where the doctor and his son saw their guy. Think they did? I doubt it.

Mamyt – you wouldn’t want to hear my personal problems, I doubt.

My Zodiacal doubts pop up unbidden in a lot of threads. (It would be quite wrong to hijack this one…..). Hello to you, btw, and please post more.

The footprints at Berryessa go between the crime scene and the car door, in both directions. I wonder if they found them elsewhere, since that’s not mentioned anywhere. I also wonder if they went to the location where the girls saw their stalker to try and find them there. Or where the doctor and his son saw their guy. Think they did? I doubt it.

Mine too….and doubts are a good thing, imo. Makes you take a closer look at things. I didn’t used to feel this way. I used to think it ALL was Zodiac!

Regarding footprints in both directions…this is another thing I question. Not so much both directions, but how come not both directions to the cars? They mention one by Bryan’s car near the stile where he’d have crossed the fence, but…there aren’t anymore 20′ behind Bryan’s car where he’d have to have walked.

There is also a mention of a the same print on the pathway (at the halfway point), and yes..it sure would have been nice had they looked towards the doc and his son and the girls. We KNOW the guy the doc and his son saw was walking this halfway point.

In regards to the LHR print behind the fence…sure would have been nice if they had a copy of that! Maybe they do…

I believe they mention that the print from Riverside was from a military shoe, however I have never read that anyone matched it to Berryessa’s shoe prints.
In as much as Riverside originally contacted Napa regarding a similarity in crime M..O, to see if Zodiac was their killer, I would hope they would naturally do a shoe
print comparison. My personal feel is LE should have staked out all crime scenes, because I guarantee you Zodiac returned to the scene of the crimes over and over.
This is why I started a thread called, ‘confirmed evidence yes or no’, which declined into Foulke’s description of Zodiac and did he live near Cherry and Washington.
Let us list all known things just once, and not include anything which is conjecture. Our Zodiac will begin to appear. God has left us all the clues.

…..doubts are a good thing, imo. Makes you take a closer look at things. I didn’t used to feel this way. I used to think it ALL was Zodiac…

T., so did I. I thought he was responsible for the lot, every letter and RIverside too. Ah me, happy days.

1WK – before we speak of matching the treads between Riverside and Berryessa, let’s not forget that as I posted, we have size 8 – 10 prints at Riverside and size 10 1/2’s at Berryessa. Now, I’m prepared to countenance his occasional weight loss (padding?) and hair style changes, (wigs?) not to mention his eyesight getting better and worse, (false glasses?), but I flat out refuse to believe his feet lost weight, so there.
At minimum, one set of prints is "wrong". Which is interesting in itself, no?

we have size 8 – 10 prints at Riverside and size 10 1/2’s at Berryessa.

8 – 10. That’s a pretty big margin for error isn’t it? Why the estimate? I’m assuming the print was distorted or incomplete and the size estimated on a width measurement.

Here’s the Berryessa print.

I’m a little confused about this. Are those inches on the tape? are the 10 and 26 cm’s? How do you translate this to shoe size? EDIT: Sorry I should be more specific, how does the information in this image translate to 10 1/2 shoe size.

I had a look a conversion chart but working on the numbers from this image I’m none the wiser.

Easy Trav.
12" = 1 foot.
(I’ll get my coat.)

Those ARE inches on the tape Trav, and from the looks of it,I would guess the print from start to finish is 11" or so. Not sure if a shoe size is measure from the complete outside bottom start to finish, or internally where a foot goes?

Easy Trav.
12" = 1 foot.
(I’ll get my coat.)

Tee hee hee.

Those ARE inches on the tape Trav, and from the looks of it,I would guess the print from start to finish is 11" or so. Not sure if a shoe size is measure from the complete outside bottom start to finish, or internally where a foot goes?

Yeah I’m not sure either and it looks like 12" so were prob both right 11-12". Also not sure about the measurements on the chart if they equate to foot measurements when in inches or cm. Basically I was trying to decide what we were dealing with in measurements as opposed to shoe sizes so we could see what the difference would be and how much margin for error there is to see if we could actually claim that the sizes given for Riverside and Berryessa could definitely be considered different. I’m not satisfied at the moment that we can claim that. The Riverside one is just too vague and we don’t have any images so I’m not sure we can decide, or at least I can’t.

Any measurements listed in the reports should be in inches for sure.

What is the general opinion held by most then regarding the Wing-walkers? Is it possible it’s just another ‘red herring’ by the alter ego of the ‘red phantom?’
What I mean is, which do people believe?

A. He obtained these extremely specific type of boot, that are only manufactured and issued to military employees and which are easily identifiable as to their origin, and will also in turn give away Z’s background as a military man, and that he was stupid enough to wear them on soft, grassy/muddy ground knowing full well that he is likely to leave impressions behind? Or

B. He stole/borrowed/found the wing-walkers as he realized the significance of the potential prints being found be LE, which would lead them off down a path chasing men with Military issued boots all over the place? Zodiac did say, remember, I gave them some busy work for them to run all over town with, you might say – I enjoy needling the Blue Pigs.

I have no idea what the answer is, and I am not trying to suggest one more likely than the other. Just wondering what other people think?