Okay Sandy, you would know.
I thought that moving out of state was no good, because "he" only followed?
Can you send me a photo of your man please?
Sure, PM me your address and I will send you his picture and copies of some of his notes. If you would rather not do that, his picture in on the "Zodiac vortex" site, at least it was . When you go there look for a list of suspects, he was listed as Larry Kane , because that was who I was told he was. I found out yrs later when Kane died and the man in my picture was still following me.
Some of the letters and notes from him, can be seen on this site on a thread that was set up for my story and the things I received from my suspects. It is under Sandy’s POI.
Sandy, sorry if this has been asked and answered before, but do you think Kane could have met someone that looked very similar to him in the bay area and they started committing crimes together?
I would like to see a picture of your suspect as well, if you wouldn’t mind.
A few minutes ago on a toilet not very far, far away….
I would need permission to show his picture from Morf. But I have the link below of what he looks like.
It is a age progression drawing of the SFPD composite. He looks like the one on the upper right side.
The note to the left of the drawing is one of the first notes he left for me in 1987 or 88 ? Not sure of which yr.
A handwriting expert at Oakland PD said that it was too much like the Zodiac’s printing to be from him.
He was seen writing the letter , so no one was using a light table or copied a Z letter.
A lot of my information is in the" Sandy’s POI Thread"
Okay Sandy, you would know.
I thought that moving out of state was no good, because "he" only followed?
Can you send me a photo of your man please?
Sure, PM me your address and I will send you his picture and copies of some of his notes. If you would rather not do that, his picture in on the "Zodiac vortex" site, at least it was . When you go there look for a list of suspects, he was listed as Larry Kane , because that was who I was told he was. I found out yrs later when Kane died and the man in my picture was still following me.
Some of the letters and notes from him, can be seen on this site on a thread that was set up for my story and the things I received from my suspects. It is under Sandy’s POI.Sandy, sorry if this has been asked and answered before, but do you think Kane could have met someone that looked very similar to him in the bay area and they started committing crimes together?
Anything is possible in this case, I know that the pictures that I picked out of a line up , was my suspect. Yet I was told his name was Larry Kane. Kathleen Johns picked out the same picture as I did. I have seen many pictures of Kane and the one picture that K Johns and I picked out looked different than Larry Kane.
My suspect could have used Larry’s name when he was arrested for being a peeping tom , I just don’t know ? They did look a lot alike with a few differences. They could have known each other, I have no way of knowing. Don’t be sorry if you think I have been asked before, it is ok to ask me anything.I would like to see a picture of your suspect as well, if you wouldn’t mind.
I don’t mind at all, the reason I can’t show it here or at Zkiller.com, is that the person is still alive.
He could sue if he wanted to.
Personally I don’t think he would want to do that and expose himself. You can see his picture at the site "Zodiac Vortex". I spoke to the person who has had the picture on his site for many yrs and asked him if he ever received any threats for having it on his site? He hasn’t, but that is because the person’s true name isn’t attached to the picture and he would have to give his name to sue is my guess?
I was told that because the picture was taken in a public place, that it shouldn’t be a problem.
AK would know about that, if there isn’t a way the man could sue and Morf gives the OK, I will post it.
I am willing to share my email address with you and send it that way, but you can still see it at Zodiac Vortex.
The suspect has seen his picture on line I am pretty sure of that and saw that the name was given as Larry Kane.
I did receive a phone message from a person with my suspects voice saying : This is your uncle Larry, I heard that there is a tornado headed your way, be careful.
(I don’t have a uncle Larry)
His voice is still young sounding for his age, but then I don’t sound like an old lady either, I am about his age. He is in his mid to late 70’s.
The picture I took was in Aug.1990 , he looked to be in his 50’s then. He had a tan as if he had a job in outside construction is what he looked like to me, as well as one of the girls who survived his attack. She told me the only reason she felt it was safe to get into his truck ,was that he looked like he worked construction. His blue truck had a white tool chest in the back.
I believe Arthur Leigh Allen as the Zodiac killed the young couple at Christmas time of 1968 and Darlene. I think Richard Gaikowski as the Zodiac killed the woman at Berryessa and the cab driver. 2 Zodiacs for five murders and two inflictions of wounds. I don’t believe Zodiac committed the Riverside slaying, or the Donna Lass murder. I believe that the Zodiac retired from murdering people after the Paul Stine assault.
I believe Arthur Leigh Allen as the Zodiac killed the young couple at Christmas time of 1968 and Darlene. I think Richard Gaikowski as the Zodiac killed the woman at Berryessa and the cab driver. 2 Zodiacs for five murders and two inflictions of wounds. I don’t believe Zodiac committed the Riverside slaying, or the Donna Lass murder. I believe that the Zodiac retired from murdering people after the Paul Stine assault.
You are entitled to your beliefs. I have my own opinion of who the Zodiac’s are and at least two of them are still alive. I do not believe that the phone calls made to Pittsburg Ca PD were a hoax, by a killer who said he killed all 12 of the girls there and said he was indeed the Zodiac. As long as there are females being killed who are not robbed or raped and a person claiming to be Zodiac is doing those murders then bragging about it through notes and phone calls , I tend to believe it is Zodiac.
As for Cheri Jo Bates it is one heck of a coincidence that the writer signed with a Z before there was anyone we knew of as Zodiac.
The odds that Donna Lass was followed to Lake Tahoe from San Francisco are also pretty good odds. Larry Kane is a very good suspect in her case.
RG was never heavy enough to be the killer at Lake Berryessa, he was not short enough to be the killer of Paul Stine.
Hello Sandy,
It’s nice meeting you again.
I do wonder about the issue of Richard’s weight. It’s my number 1 concern about him as a suspect. I can only wonder if he padded up for his attacks. It’s hard to get around the height issues too. ALA was close to 6’1 and was in excess of 240 pounds. ALA also was bald and didn’t have a crew cut. Would a bald man go out and purchase a crew cut wig? It would be a stroke of genius. Rick Marshall was about 5’7 and 200. Closer to the mark. Officer Lafferty’s suspect was 5’9 and around 200 pounds which is the best fit.
There’s a lot of unanswered questions that are the cause of heated debate. By the way I find your posts outstanding. You know more about the case than 99% of all posters on these various Zodiac sites. For the record: I believe you and I think your experiences give you more insight than most of us will ever have in this life. I only eliminate the Reno, Riverside and other attacks because it’s more difficult to wrap my head around the idea that the Zodiac was roaming over such a wide range of territory. I think the Zodiac puzzle can only be solved one crime at a time. Proving all of those possible attacks makes it more difficult.
Michael M identified ALA. Don Cheney swore-out an affidavit that ALA told him about his idea to become a Zodiac killer. ALA knew Darlene. This lead me to strongly suspect ALA did commit that one. But the facts don’t add up to him in other attacks.
Thank you for the very kind words.
You are correct that it is hard to believe Zodiac traveled all over the place to kill.
I can’t help but think about the statement Darlene made to the babysitter about the man she was being bothered by. She said he must be back from out of state, that alone told me that person did travel. Of course we have no real proof that he was the same person who killed her, but he is a pretty good suspect.
As for Mike M. I think he felt safe saying the man looked like Art Allen, because Allen was dead and he had a large face like what was described as Darlene’s killer.
The problem I have with Mike M , is that he gave a different description soon after being shot. He said the man was short about a head taller than Darlene’s car. Allen was much taller and larger. Allen didn’t have brown curly hair either.
I have always found it odd that Zodiac made it a point to tell the police that his car was brown, when he didn’t really need to say anything about his car.
It just so happened that my husbands car was brown. Mike M confirmed the car as being a lot like Darlene’s car and brown as well.
Did Zodiac say that to get ready for the set up two months later, by putting his killing costume in our brown car and previously taking my white plastic clothesline, to frame my husband?
I once thought it was put in our car by accident, but when I received a new package of white plastic clothesline almost 20 yrs later on my front porch. That was when I recalled it was just like the one that was taken from my home in Napa the summer of 69. The only person who would have remembered that, had to be the person who stole it. He wanted me to remember and for me to know he took it, also that he found me again at my new home.( He wanted to convince me that he was Zodiac.)
It is scary to know that this person is still alive and claims to still be killing, he looks pretty healthy for his age, which I am guessing is about 70-75 yrs old.
When I took his picture in Aug.1990 he looked to be about 50 yrs old. There is nothing about his age, size, looks, voice, that doesn’t fit what we know about Zodiac. Although his hair is no longer brown , it is still curly.
CandyCoated….
I have no way of knowing how many the person who once called himself Zodiac did kill. I have always felt that the person who identifies himself as Z from 12/20/68 – 10/11/69, was a seasoned killer before he came up with the Z name, and his Bay Area spree. I think he killed, probably many before 12/20/68, and he continued killing after 10/11/69. I think for a short season he decided to communicate to the public, to invoke fear, to piss off the cops, but when it almost got him caught he shut down that phase and went back to his old killing ways.
CandyCoated….
I have no way of knowing how many the person who once called himself Zodiac did kill. I have always felt that the person who identifies himself as Z from 12/20/68 – 10/11/69, was a seasoned killer before he came up with the Z name, and his Bay Area spree. I think he killed, probably many before 12/20/68, and he continued killing after 10/11/69. I think for a short season he decided to communicate to the public, to invoke fear, to piss off the cops, but when it almost got him caught he shut down that phase and went back to his old killing ways.
BA60’s, I also believe that as well, although someone claiming to be Zodiac was killing girls in the Antioch/ Pittsburg area from the mid 80’s through the mid 90’s. He left notes and made phone calls to the police, telling them where to find at least one body. He told them he was Zodiac , but they didn’t want to believe him. During that same time frame Darlene’s sister and myself were being tormented daily by an older man who claimed he was Zodiac.
I was told by the police that because this man was following me and sitting in his car near my home , that I should take his picture.
When I did that he became so upset, by the time I got home he had already left a threat on my recorder.
There was some writing that I was shown on the PO box for Darlene’s sister Pam. It was done in indelible ink , it showed R, P, H, plus Me . There were Z logo’s under each initial, was he saying that there were 3 others besides himself ? Or was RPH the initials of the other person ?
That would match the RH in Riverside but giving us the middle initial as well.
One of my suspects is a RH.
Sandy & Co….
The reason I believe Z was an experienced killer before he began his Zodiac Identity killings, is from his first letters, communications, he was a very confident person in his ability to kill and get away with it. As if he knew he could kill and get away with it, and now he was going to kill and brag about, and taunt LE over it. I think his confidence was at its peak on 10/10/69, but by 10/12/69, not as much. So he bagged the communications, letting us know he wouldn’t be slowing down his killings….
Sandy & Co….
The reason I believe Z was an experienced killer before he began his Zodiac Identity killings, is from his first letters, communications, he was a very confident person in his ability to kill and get away with it. As if he knew he could kill and get away with it, and now he was going to kill and brag about, and taunt LE over it. I think his confidence was at its peak on 10/10/69, but by 10/12/69, not as much. So he bagged the communications, letting us know he wouldn’t be slowing down his killings….
Yes exactly , he probably was the Santa Barbara killer in June of 63, plus others we don’t know about. He could have killed several by 10-11-69. I still believe he was Arlis Perry’s killer in 1974 inside of the church at Stanford. The date was either the same or very close to Oct 11th.
Dick Hansen in the 90’s could also be a Zodiac victim. He was shot with a 9 mil , it was very much like the blitz attacks that we know Zodiac enjoyed doing. I wish that someone in LE would check that 9 mil. bullet, to see if it matched Darlene’s or Paul Stine’s bullet ?
The female friend of Hansen’s got a look at the shooter, she said he looked Hispanic . I think she said he looked to be in his 40’s ? It was dark so I don’t put much stock in the age being correct.
The canonical 5, then, in declining order of likelihood:
Domingos-Edwards
Kathleen Johns
Cherie Jo Bates (though I think Z may well have written the Bates had to die letters)
Donna Lass. I think that while her disappearance may have been a kidnapping, I don’t think it was Z.
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Formerly Clovis.
I believe he could’ve killed 100+ . I actually think there are some clues in this letter indicating, that it is indeed the real killer, alive and well in 1986. That even if not my suspect,only he would have known.
Or it’s a copy cat who knew a ton about all the other letters,stuff no one’s picked up on.
http://www.zodiacciphers.com/zodiac-new … 986-letter
I used to be impressed by this letter, but eventually noticed a number of inconsistencies that didn’t make sense in any particular context other than a "bad forgery" context.
Comparing them now, it certainly looks as though the Freeway author’s manner of writing "Blue Meannies" was lifted directly from the L.A. Times letter — which appeared in Graysmith’s ZODIAC, first published in January 1986.
What I don’t get is why, after (apparently) imitating the way Zodiac wrote "Blue Meannies" in one particular letter, the author loops the tails of the lower case Ps, Gs and Ys…something Zodiac never did. 
In fact, at one point, it looks as though he wrote "They" with an unlooped Y…then crossed it out and wrote it again, with a looped Y! I guess, in spite of having Graysmith’s book in front of him, he thought Zodiac looped his Ys and he had to fix it? 
I’m likewise assuming he struck an instance of "The" because the "e" didn’t look right to him.
