I second the above statements
Ofc, there’s a fairly transparent supect-led agenda behind asserting that the Stine attack was to get at the Mayor.
The point is that both attacks happened very close to where a city mayor lived, addresses that anyone could have easily found. Nobody said anything about getting at the mayor as far as I know.
maybe it’s a clash of culture but sarcasm everywhere without any add-on but calling other people fool etc. is certainly not my style
I haven’t called anyone a fool etc. You are again directing your remarks at the wrong person.
It’s a pity that so many smart people have educated themselves about the facts of this case, uncovered important leads, and then just start posting invective about each other
I think it’s a pity that more of the educated users don’t call out the misinformation. If that makes me the bad guy, so be it.
It’s a pity that so many smart people have educated themselves about the facts of this case, uncovered important leads, and then just start posting invective about each other
I think it’s a pity that more of the educated users don’t call out the misinformation. If that makes me the bad guy, so be it.
Politely pointing out inaccuracies has great utility. Sarcasm, insulting, and mocking are not productive.
Almost everybody here is deeply knowledgeable about this case. We need to work together.
Politely pointing out inaccuracies has great utility.
Then why don’t I see you doing that instead of fretting over the perceived tone of my posts?
Sarcasm, insulting, and mocking are not productive.
It can get the job done when nothing else works.
Those who spread misinformation and then never own up to their actions do a disservice to this site and to the Zodiac case as a whole. Stop defending them.
Except there’s no mention of the Mayor in the Zodiac case at all, let alone in any of his communications. You’re only making this point to speciously attribute the Oceanside case to Zodiac. It doesn’t constitute proof (as in, there’s no evidence for it–in fact, you can Google Zodiac + Mayor Alioto and it returns next to nothing), therefore it remains in the realm of supposition. While Zodiac may have known where the Mayor lives, he neglected to mention it in his subsequent letters, therefore it doesn’t seem to mean much to him.
Zodiac may have been involved with the Ray Davis murder, but any concrete connection has yet to be made. However, there’s equal if not more likelihood, that Zodiac was copying the Paul Hom attack twelve days before the Stine murder, wherein the robber demanded the taxi driver take him to Washington and Locust, and then into the Presidio, whereon the attacker escaped.This robbery had similar pick up and drop off points, enough that SFPD remarked on it (originally thinking it was a dry run for Zodiac).
What’s to say Zodiac didn’t read about the robbery in the news and adapt the MO? Again this is supposition, not fact (i.e. in the realm of legitimate possibility). One case doesn’t preclude the other, yet there’s no concrete proof for a connection to either atm.
Ofc, there’s a fairly transparent supect-led agenda behind asserting that the Stine attack was to get at the Mayor.
I didn’t say Zodiac killed Ray Davis.
I didn’t say the Stine attack was to get at the Mayor.
I simply pointed out that stating Zodiac was almost assuredly from SF IF the Ray Davis murder is linked to Z is faulty logic.
I haven’t decided yet where I land on the Ray Davis murder…to Z or not to Z, that is the question…
What’s to say Zodiac didn’t read about the robbery in the news and adapt the MO?
I was just on Newspapersdotcom again. Still can’t find any mention of this incident. I have to wonder how far that info was likely to travel if there wasn’t even a footnote about it in the papers…not to be Captain Obvious, but if (and I stress "if") it wasn’t reported in the news at the time, there’d have to be a reason for Zodiac to know about it. Especially if he’s throwing darts in a dingy apartment in Vallejo.
What’s to say Zodiac didn’t read about the robbery in the news and adapt the MO?
I was just on Newspapersdotcom again. Still can’t find any mention of this incident. I have to wonder how far that info was likely to travel if there wasn’t even a footnote about it in the papers…not to be Captain Obvious, but if (and I stress "if") it wasn’t reported in the news at the time, there’d have to be a reason for Zodiac to know about it. Especially if he’s throwing darts in a dingy apartment in Vallejo.
I’m not very well versed in searching the archives. A search for "Hom" unhelpfully throws up any article with the word "home" in it in the Chronicle online archive. I wonder if it was reported at all, then. Perhaps Dave Peterson is picked it up from a SPFD press conference? What makes the Hom story unusual is that he was locked in the trunk and found by MPs. However, it was a busy year for news–as you say–perhaps not reported at all.
I’ve tried searching for any kind of cabbie incident from that time. Maybe something will turn up eventually…
Has anybody ever wondered why despite two Vallejo attacks and a Vallejo phone he call not one of the letters was sent from Vallejo ?
Just my theory, he is attacking close to home in Vallejo, and working weekdays in SF mailing the letters from there.
This is what bothers me, if he was concerned about his anonymity, and thus mailing from SF, it would make no sense. In fact the letters were the probably the most anonymous thing he did. What I mean is we know precisely where he attacked and we know precisely where he made calls from, but we have no precise location of the letters. I don’t see the point at the stage of the case where he sent the first letters that he would need to distance himself from Vallejo. Would it have made a difference if he mailed from Vallejo ?
On the other hand possible he was trying to distance the case from Vallejo by using incorrect Vallejo locales in his letters, and then sending from SF.
Forgive my ignorance but how common was it to commute daily to SF at the time, or would it have been a case of staying in SF for Monday-Friday and then returning to Vallejo for weekends ?
These are good questions. What were the conclusions in the Mailbox thread as to when the letters were mailed? (which days? AM/PM postmarks?)
Vallejo was commuting distance to SF but further away than ideal. But no, it was close enough where someone living in Vallejo and working in SF wouldn’t spend M-F in SF. (There is a Vallejo-SF ferry now, but there wasn’t back then.)
