I think you’ve hit the nail on the head.

Hitler came out unscathed?

He killed himself in the end, after several people tried ingenious ways to kill him. They even placed a bomb in a brief case next to him that went off and he came out with a few scratches. It wasnt until 6 years into the war and 1/5 of the world’s population was wiped out did his reign end.

What, or who may I ask, is PROVIDENCE?

Joe Detective…..

Yeah he was way too sloppy and risky to get away with what he did. but somehow he did. Wish they could catch the SOB. Could be dead by now, and enjoying his new hellish life. I’ve always felt this guy who became Z in the Bay Area, for a short period of time, was a long time murderer, before and after his Z persona.

Hey Morf, the way I understand providence is whan "god" or "fate " intervenes to protect someone.

I agree with you Bayarea, though Zodiac was in all likelihood a pathological liar, I think there’s some truth to his victim count being 37 and when he said he’d continue killing, but make them look random or like accidents

The most specific example of why I bring up providence is when the dispatcher said the suspect in the Stine murder was black. How else do you explain that lucky break. Otherwise you just have to agree with Gareth Penn, that the police did more to help Zodiac then to hinder him. I hate to agree with Penn, but when he accuses police and the media for dropping the ball he might be right. To this day the media (hate to group them all but…) seems to only focus on the crazies who say it was their father or their best friend. Like this new guy Myers. What a joke.

The only Providence that I know is the city that is the state capital of Rhode Island.

The most specific example of why I bring up providence is when the dispatcher said the suspect in the Stine murder was black. How else do you explain that lucky break.

Human error. It happens quite a lot, you know.

Otherwise you just have to agree with Gareth Penn…

No. No I don’t agree with that lunatic, nor do I have to.

-glurk

Wow Glurk, touchy. Just to be clear, im no fan of Penn. At best he is just some nutjob; at the worst, he makesfor a strong poi. Despite Christopher Farmer’s ridiculous site, where he applied the Procrustes’s bed (look it up) method to "prove" Penn was Zodiac, and inadvertently made himself look as crazy as Penn himself, Penn still in my mind makes a decent suspect. But you can’t argue that the media seems to focus on those people who come out of the woodwork and claim their father or friend confessed, rather than people who have ligit albiet circumstantial evidence. I guess you could argue that investigators didn’t drop the ball, but I bet now as it stands, the zodiac case is way, way down on their list of priorities.

Joe Stated….

"I agree with you Bayarea, though Zodiac was in all likelihood a pathological liar, I think there’s some truth to his victim count being 37 and when he said he’d continue killing, but make them look random or like accidents"

I don’t know how pathological Z was, but I believe he would lie to benefit himself, or his story, and especially to make cops look bad.

So Bayarea, do you think there’s just the 5 that we know about? I agree that 37 seems a bit high..

Going back to providence. I think zodiac himself definitely believed providence was involved. That explains why he was so bold. Zodiac believed he was chosen to go on this mission of collecting slaves. Always found it interesting statements like "Bates HAD to die" or when he told Hartnell and Shepherd "I HAVE to stab you people"

So Bayarea, do you think there’s just the 5 that we know about? I agree that 37 seems a bit high..

Going back to providence. I think zodiac himself definitely believed providence was involved. That explains why he was so bold. Zodiac believed he was chosen to go on this mission of collecting slaves. Always found it interesting statements like "Bates HAD to die" or when he told Hartnell and Shepherd "I HAVE to stab you people"

I think Zodiac put a lot of time and effort into planning his kills. The Stine murder is probably an exception. I would guess that he thought the cops were getting a little bit too close to him, so he stopped playing his game with them. I think he still killed, but stopped announcing it like he said he would. I seriously doubt that luck played any type of role in his mind. After the Stine incident, I would imagine he was more worried about being very cautious in the future as opposed to feeling like he had luck on his side. I’m not saying he wasn’t lucky because he obviously was.

So Bayarea, do you think there’s just the 5 that we know about? I agree that 37 seems a bit high..

Going back to providence. I think zodiac himself definitely believed providence was involved. That explains why he was so bold. Zodiac believed he was chosen to go on this mission of collecting slaves. Always found it interesting statements like "Bates HAD to die" or when he told Hartnell and Shepherd "I HAVE to stab you people"

I think Zodiac put a lot of time and effort into planning his kills. The Stine murder is probably an exception. I would guess that he thought the cops were getting a little bit too close to him, so he stopped playing his game with them. I think he still killed, but stopped announcing it like he said he would. I seriously doubt that luck played any type of role in his mind. After the Stine incident, I would imagine he was more worried about being very cautious in the future as opposed to feeling like he had luck on his side. I’m not saying he wasn’t lucky because he obviously was.

Besides his weapon…Stine case: Contra – he didn’t wear gloves / Pro – he had brought something with him to wipe the cab with. Indeed, while wearing gloves at other crime scenes (LB?), in the Stine case he obviously had not worn any. Instead he found or brought something to wipe the cab (after killing a cabbie in the middle of SF with a shot gun!). This, in fact, is quite weird..

I guess Stine did not have any towel or something inside the cab for his passengers to clean stuff up. So I actually wonder what it was and furthermore why Z had not simply worn gloves instead, if the crime was prepared. One advantage might have been to be able to throw such a piece of cloth away while walking around with bloody gloves (if bloody at all) might have looked a bit suspiciously..the Stine shirt imo was too small to wipe the cab with but it is still a possibility.

QT

Agree with ophion, he didn’t randomly go about killing. He was very picky and stalked before doing the deed. I bet there were lots of days and nights he spent lurking around lover’s lanes just waiting for the perfect victims, and by that I mean the most meaningful to him. I’m sure Z spied many couples picnicking at LB, but there was something special to him about Hartnell and Shepherd. I’d say Stine was premeditated too.