It was brought up in another thread by Wier about some of the similarities between letters, murders, etc. I thought we might start a new topic dedicated to some of these similarities.
The Lipstick Killer….dismembered little Suzanne Degnan and "deposited" (the term used many times) her body parts all over town. This was said about her killer:
"either a man who worked in a profession that required the study of anatomy or one with a background in dissection…not even the average doctor could be as skillful, it had to be a meat cutter." Brodie concurred adding that it was a "very clean job with absolutely no signs of hacking."
Black Dahlia:…cut in half. The same thing was said about her killer.
Her body was found near "Degnan" on South Norton in between Coliseum and W 39th:
Cheri Jo Bates – The Confession Letter:… "but I shall cut off her female parts and deposit them for the whole city to see"
(A Degnan/Lipstick Killer refererce?)
.."I am stalking YOUR girls now". (emphasis mine) The Lipstick Killer…all girls.
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If anything, I’d say there is a good chance the Lipstick Killer was also the killer of the Black Dahlia…not that I am the first to consider this.
Suzanne Degnan was discovered to be missing Jan. of 1946. Elizabeth Short was found January 15, 1947. I sure hope they looked for suspects who may have moved to Southern California!
“…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep.“ L.A. Times, 1969
Well yes. Multiple murderers can only do a certain number of things, I suppose. Kill in certain ways, write certain things, etcetera etcetera, but as has been mentioned before, you might think Zodiac was a tiny bit derivative on occasion. I’m happy to add:
Jack the Ripper wrote some wonderful letters (or somebody else did – it doesn’t really matter.)
He also wrote the "Goulston Street graffito."
Echo’d by the Berryessa door, perhaps?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goulston_Street_graffito
The kidnapping case of the Lindbergh baby had letters arriving with a hole-punched theme with connecting circle – a sign so the kidnappers letters could be recognised. They look pretty "Zodiacal".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindbergh_kidnapping
Smithy A lot of people believe that Mr. Lindbergh had the baby killed …..or is that silly
A few years ago on Mr. Voigt’s ZK board, there was a mention of an old pre-The Zodiac case including a photo a body found (near a dock, I think) and a letter with the Zodiac symbol. I tried looking for it but was not successful. Does that ring a bell with anyone?
Kindly
"Jerry, just remember, it’s not a lie if you believe it." George Costanza from Seinfeld
Think that was a guy named Bob Lord (or something close). I think he was found with a note in his pocket stating "he knew too much" and the crosshairs/Z symbol beneath.
Think that was a guy named Bob Lord (or something close). I think he was found with a note in his pocket stating "he knew too much" and the crosshairs/Z symbol beneath.
It was "Bud" Lord: http://zodiackiller.fr.yuku.com/topic/6158
Think that was a guy named Bob Lord (or something close). I think he was found with a note in his pocket stating "he knew too much" and the crosshairs/Z symbol beneath.
It was "Bud" Lord: http://zodiackiller.fr.yuku.com/topic/6158
Thank you!
"Jerry, just remember, it’s not a lie if you believe it." George Costanza from Seinfeld
Of course they are similar, they were all committed by George Hodel.
Lipstick killer:
and of course Z: "Please Help me, I cannot remain in control for much longer."
Smithy A lot of people believe that Mr. Lindbergh had the baby killed …..or is that silly
Ace, there are lots of theories surrounding the case, still, aren’t there. Personally I would think anything that implicates Charles Lindbergh would be a bit silly, yes, but hey – lots of people believe things I don’t. 
Ducky – yes, George Hodel got around a bit, Steve says. 
Is it true there was a Timex watch found in the field next to where Elizabeth Short’s body was found?
“…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep.“ L.A. Times, 1969
Hm. According to Hodel Jr it was. Or he suggests something along those lines at least. But I can’t seem to seem find anything to back it up – and I’m not sure we should take Junior’s word for it.
Slightly on topic: I recently played L.A. Noire after having been pestered by a friend of mine for ages to check it out. It was quite fun, actually – and I’d recommend it for the general atmosphere if not for the creators’ take on the Dahlia/lipstick cases.
If you have no idea what I’m talking about (I know some of our members are, ahem, not spring chickens, let’s put it like that), here’s a link:
