Does anybody know of any maps from the time of the Vallejo area’s inc LH and BRS ?
https://www.scribd.com/document/1812896 … ossmo-Ph-D
Check out this link. It has great information, as well as current and past maps of the area.
“Murder will out, this my conclusion.”
– Geoffrey Chaucer
Learn how to use this and you can find some. I’m not sure how to link directly to them from that site or I would.
Thanks for that. The reason I asked is the fact I was wondering how different the area around Columbus parkway was back then.
Obviously we know some of the movements of BLJ and DF on the night of their murder. Her home, friends on Brentwood and their trip to the school.
Also we know the movements of DF and MM. MM stated that whilst at BRS a car pulled bedside them but then rapidly drove off towards downtown Vallejo only to return 5 minutes later to carry out the attack (He thinks it was the same car).
This got me wondering, if as some people believe this was Z and he quickly returned to his house to collect a weapon, then what area would it be possible to drive to and then return to BLS in around 5 mins. The attached map shows the rough routes taken by the couples and the movements of Z (In Red). I have marked the around which is a 3 minute drive from BLS.
It does make me wonder if he came from the area on the following post. It is the end of Springs road which obviously runs directly to the Payphone he used and is also close to BLJ house.
This is modern map of the area in question. I have removed to streets which we know were not built upon at the time.
Sorry the red lines are the streets which I have the residents from the directory of the time (Still a work in progress)
What date is the first map?
The rectangle, in the area of blue rocks springs, do you have an idea of what the text reads?
Soze
It’s from the above post by Chaucer. It is a 1969 map, sorry not sure about the box.
Ok. Ty.
Soze
Cragle asked;
"Does anybody know of any maps from the time of the Vallejo area’s inc LH
and BRS ?"
Cragle, Historicaerials.com is my first choice.
The specific map/year/location you are viewing can be cited by right clicking
the ‘Tweet’ button, selecting (depending on your OS, e.g.) ‘Copy Link Location’
and then removing the extraneous twitter URL’s so only the last relevant
h t t p s URL is left.
(Topo maps tend to be slightly, to quite obviously, out of date for a particular
year – a consequence of the map makers (of that time) using information
sources that were not themselves fully up to date. So topo maps need to be
taken ‘with a grain of salt’.)
Soze asked;
"The rectangle, in the area of blue rocks springs, do you have an idea of what
the text reads?"
Soze, the text would very probably be "Blue Rock Springs Park" (boundary),
see below Topographical map for 1969;
https://historicaerials.com/location/38 … 3/T1969/16
and perhaps also click the Aerial map for 1968 to compare with a birds eye view.
I really wonder if the Zodiac lived in Vallejo. Looking at these maps, knowing where his attacks took place, this town looks like the geographical starting point of it all.
According to this site, http://www.bayareacensus.ca.gov/cities/Vallejo70.htm, and knowing what we know about Z (white male in his thirties), bout 7.000 people living in Vallejo could have been the killer. Working from these 7.000 people (putting away those who do not look like the descriptions and studying alibis), I am sure the police could have got really interstings suspects at the time.
Most killers kill where they are the most comfortable , called "Their comfort zone". I believe he either lived in Vallejo or worked there and perhaps lived in Benicia or Napa?
After getting away with their murders , they can venture out of their comfort zone , but most start near where they live or work.
When Zodiac killed Paul Stine in SF. I think it was to throw off the police into thinking Zodiac was from Vallejo/ Napa area. He enjoyed misdirecting!
He enjoyed misdirecting!
How do we know that?
We know that because that is what he did when he told Fouke he saw the man with a gun run the another way , so he could escape. He told Bryan and Cecelia that he was just going to rob them , but his plan was to kill them both. He said he was going to shoot the kiddies on the bus , but then said the police needed to have holes in their heads if they believed that.
He sent a card to Paul Avery making him think he would be next. He purposely misspelled words to make it look like he did that on purpose. But I think he really did make mistakes in spelling , but he covered that up by making it look like it was done on purpose.
Doing a murder in SF I believe was to misdirect the police in thinking he could be living in SF.
He told Bryan and Cecelia that he had killed a guard from a prison he had escaped from. That was thought to be Deer lodge Montana, because the Det. who was interviewing Bryan at the hospital ,couldn’t let the victim tell him what Zodiac said, he had to interject by saying was it Deer Lodge Montana?
The state that was probably the correct one could have been "Denver Colorado federal prison". The word that Hartnell thought he said sounded like feather. Denver or federal could have been the word he heard?
It so happens that there was a movie in 1969 called "Take The money and Run" a Woody Allen movie about a jail break in Denver Colorado. We all know that Zodiac got his ideas from movies and comic books etc. There was lots of misdirection in the Zodiac case that is why it has been so hard to catch him.
He told Bryan and Cecelia that he had killed a guard from a prison he had escaped from. That was thought to be Deer lodge Montana, because the Det. who was interviewing Bryan at the hospital ,couldn’t let the victim tell him what Zodiac said, he had to interject by saying was it Deer Lodge Montana?
thank you. i’ve been banging the drum for "hartnell never said deer lodge" for years. it’s right in the police report.
You are very welcome, I have read a lot of your posts and see that you have done your homework on the case , plus you did a lot of work on the 340. Good Job!
