Hope I wasn’t misunderstanding you Soze!

I just meant that some people say Zodiac targeted couples. If Zodiac wanted to kill Claudia, for whatever reason, she is still an individual. So no matter what, she or Stine alone wouldn’t fit the bill. As you know, I personally don’t think Zodiac attacked only couples–just easy targets.

Do you have a particular thought as to why you (possibly) consider Claudia a target? I’m not sure I follow you since the killing happened in the cab. I could see if it was at their house, but with the cab…?

Z was a loser, cruising around at night looking for targets. Most people, alone and by themselves, are not going to be parked where they are isolated, but young couples, looking for privacy, would be occupied, and parked in out of the way spots.

Let’s look at Z’s confirmed Victims:

1-F&J, alone in a car, necking, secluded area

2-F&M,alone in a car, possibly necking,secluded area

3-S&H,alone on a secluded stretch of lake

4-Paul Stine, a single male Cabbie in SF, that Zodiac flagged down

Stine does NOT fit the first 3 whatsoever. Million dollar question is, did Z target Stine? Was he random, and whatever cabbie picked Z up would be dead? Did Z crave the attention of the SFPD,who up until Stine had not been involved in the Z case?

My gut feeling is, Stine was random, and killing a random Cabbie in SF would not be immediately connected to the Z crimes if something went wrong. Stine was killed to bring SFPD into the investigation, and get more attention from the press.

Zodiac’s writing habits also shift, after the Stine Murder, all of his letters go to the SF Chronicle with the exception of the LA letter, which he mailed to them AFTER he was connected to Bates in Riverside.

A side-note,Paul Avery, In November,1970, after he connected the Zodiac to Cheri Bates, wrote an article in which the headline read, ‘Zodiac Link is Definite’. Zodiac did not mail a letter for 4 months after that headline? Why??? Because he realized he had made a big mistake, and likely was looking over his shoulder at this point. Before this 4 month period, he had written 6 times in a 6 month period. If he wasn’t worried about being connected to Bates, and simply wanted to capitalize on the news story, he certainly would have immediately written a letter taking credit for the Bates murder, but he didn’t for 4 months when he felt safe. That’s telling! I’m going off topic so I may start a new thread about this.

Yeah, I don’t think it’s either/or. He wanted to kill couples, if he didn’t then he wouldn’t… but he also wanted to pick targets that fit his methodology/ location.

I think there were a lot of people he had anger towards and wanted to target those people, or people that he could project those traits onto. Remember his little list? I don’t think that was just a joke, I think that showed he had different ideas for victims.

Yeah, I don’t think it’s either/or. He wanted to kill couples, if he didn’t then he wouldn’t… but he also wanted to pick targets that fit his methodology/ location.

I think there were a lot of people he had anger towards and wanted to target those people, or people that he could project those traits onto. Remember his little list? I don’t think that was just a joke, I think that showed he had different ideas for victims.

Yah…he sounds like a crusty-**** who was pissed off at society in general and every one irritated him…with an emphasis on police.

My gut feeling is, Stine was random, and killing a random Cabbie in SF would not be immediately connected to the Z crimes if something went wrong. Stine was killed to bring SFPD into the investigation, and get more attention from the press.

Or perhaps the separate Bates (if indeed z’s) and Stine slayings form a pair of bookends – single woman, couple, couple, couple, single man; or urban, rural, rural, rural, urban. Also possible that all the slayings were crimes of opportunity and the vics the result, not of premeditation, but of accident.

I Think sometimes people read to much into Zodiac changing his MO in the Stine killing.The Stine murder was of convenience and for Z to achieve his agenda and his end game to terrorize the city of San Francisco. He was a domestic terrorist and loved the attention more then the killings. All my opinion of Z of course.

I shall add why PH too is he wanted to terrorize all classes and the elite of the city as well.That is why he got Stine to drive him there. Again just my opinion.

Hope I wasn’t misunderstanding you Soze!

I just meant that some people say Zodiac targeted couples. If Zodiac wanted to kill Claudia, for whatever reason, she is still an individual. So no matter what, she or Stine alone wouldn’t fit the bill. As you know, I personally don’t think Zodiac attacked only couples–just easy targets.

Do you have a particular thought as to why you (possibly) consider Claudia a target? I’m not sure I follow you since the killing happened in the cab. I could see if it was at their house, but with the cab…?

No Tahoe. I was just trying to make sure I didn’t misunderstand you.

I do have a response to your question but its working out to be a lengthy one. Hope you don’t mind reading.

Soze

Could be too Zodiac knew nothing about Cheri Jo. Not much to say if you don’t know how to offer hints about what you didn’t do.

–Soze, I’m all up for reading!

Zodiac killed couples because he was lonely and jealous of them.He most likely wanted something like that in his life and because he couldn’t have it he was going to take that away from other people.He even practically admitted it in his frist cipher (Something gives me the most thrilling experience its even more fun then getting your rocks of with a girl) right there he was saying killing is more fun then having sex but I believe that was something he really wanted.Now everybody Killers don’t just kill to be killing.They kill because they believe that they are getting revenge on the people they hate in society and for Zodiac it was young couple’s.