morf13, Subject: Zodiac, a CB Radio buff? Sat Mar 02, 2013 2:35 pm

I have seen many posts over the years at various sites discussing why Z may have been into CB radio and/or Ham radio.

Today,I bought this item-

This is from the 1970s in Vallejo. Its a postcard,and various CB buffs and clubs used to exchange postcards with their own artwork etc,with others who were like minded. The writing caught my eye along with the artwork,etc, it looked close enough to Z in my opinion to buy it. I am trying to find out who the artist was.

Zodiac normally made his number 2’s look like the letter Z, except for the Belli envelope which looks alot like these 2’s. Anybody have any thoughts as to what the various letters & numbers might mean? 3’s and 8’s EB 1&2

StitchMallone, Subject: Re: Zodiac, a CB Radio buff? Sat Mar 02, 2013 3:54 pm

Did you fine Rick Marshall private collection lol ? I have a buddy that’s been into ham radio for many years and will see if he can figure out what they mean. Curious where did the seller get it ?

morf13, Subject: Re: Zodiac, a CB Radio buff? Sat Mar 02, 2013 4:00 pm

The seller has a huge collection of these from all over the country

StitchMallone, Subject: Re: Zodiac, a CB Radio buff? Sat Mar 02, 2013 4:06 pm

The seller has a huge collection of these from all over the country

Ah did you ask where he got this piece and if he remembers from who ? I’m sure you probably already did. Anyhow sent it to my buddy and hopefully he will get back to me later tonight.

StitchMallone, Subject: Re: Zodiac, a CB Radio buff? Sat Mar 02, 2013 6:46 pm

Haven’t heard back from my buddy yet but after some googling the 3’s and 8’s is cb and ham radio slang for love and kisses.
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Ph … ssage/8085

Back in the heyday of CB radio (Citizens Band), when you
finished talking with another CB’er, you might have have said 3’s and
8’s or 73’s and 88’s. In CB lingo, it means "LOVE AND KISSES". I
think ham radio operators still use it.

morf13, Subject: Re: Zodiac, a CB Radio buff? Sat Mar 02, 2013 6:57 pm

Thanks for that info stitch interesting

StitchMallone, Subject: Re: Zodiac, a CB Radio buff? Sat Mar 02, 2013 7:00 pm

Thanks for that info stitch interesting

No problem and the EB from the sites I been looking at seems to stand for eyeball and meaning a one on one meeting.

morf13, Subject: Re: Zodiac, a CB Radio buff? Sat Mar 02, 2013 7:27 pm

TRAV spotted some interesting things that may be Z like with this, but some things that may be different too

tahoe27, Subject: Re: Zodiac, a CB Radio buff? Sat Mar 02, 2013 11:24 pm

Shows longitude and latitude.

Look where they mailed it!

Too bad it’s the 20’s.

…similar to the Pines card too…except that was Lincoln.

morf13, Subject: Re: Zodiac, a CB Radio buff? Sun Mar 03, 2013 12:36 am

Cool find though Tahoe,and of course, there has to be a Riverside connection

StitchMallone, Subject: Re: Zodiac, a CB Radio buff? Sun Mar 03, 2013 2:10 pm

Talk to my ham radio friend and he confirmed what I posted about the 3’s and the 8’s without me telling him what I found. He did say in all his years at amateur radio he never seen the EB before. I still believe it is a abbreviation for eyeball from what I found.

smithy, Subject: Re: Zodiac, a CB Radio buff? Sun Mar 03, 2013 2:19 pm

Over here we used 33’s and 88’s (or 3’s and 8’s) to say "good luck to you" or words to that effect. Along with "Good numbers" – which meant the same thing. I always presumed they were something to do with channel switching – but in any case, they certainly were an affirmative.
Yes, EB for "eyeball", as in "You’ve just seen" or "You’re now seeing" sounds about right.
In this case, it seems like an invitation to meet the two of them, to me.

Ah me, the good old days, when we broadcast illegally on AM and things were more fun…..

An interesting poster Morf – good find.

tahoe27, Subject: Re: Zodiac, a CB Radio buff? Sun Mar 03, 2013 2:47 pm

Sometimes, a contact in person, between two ham radio operators, is humorously referred to as an "eyeball QSO".

***

CB Slang & Technical Terms 1962-1998

3’s & 8’s according to this site: signing off–best wishes

eyeballs – personal meetings/headlights

http://www.cbgazette.com/slang.html

StitchMallone, Subject: Re: Zodiac, a CB Radio buff? Sun Mar 03, 2013 3:58 pm

Over here we used 33’s and 88’s (or 3’s and 8’s) to say "good luck to you" or words to that effect. Along with "Good numbers" – which meant the same thing. I always presumed they were something to do with channel switching – but in any case, they certainly were an affirmative.
Yes, EB for "eyeball", as in "You’ve just seen" or "You’re now seeing" sounds about right.
In this case, it seems like an invitation to meet the two of them, to me.

Ah me, the good old days, when we broadcast illegally on AM and things were more fun…..

An interesting poster Morf – good find.

That’s what I got from it a invitation to meet the both of them. Zodiac or not I’m just not sure I’d want to meet the both of them. They look like some twisted Ham radio swingers.

StitchMallone, Subject: Re: Zodiac, a CB Radio buff? Sun Mar 03, 2013 6:50 pm

Forgot to mention as for the postcard looking like Zodiac writing. It reminds me a lot of the Red Phantom movie poster that they thought Rick Marshall drew. The Po box and zip code numbers look similar to Z’s and the abbreviation Calif looks pretty good and even better though if the F would have more of a hook on it. My bad the movie poster that the FBI thought Marshall wrote and then compared to the Red Phantom letter.

morf13, Subject: Re: Zodiac, a CB Radio buff? Sun Mar 03, 2013 6:54 pm

Forgot to mention as for the postcard looking like Zodiac writing. It reminds me a lot of the Red Phantom movie poster that they thought Rick Marshall drew. The Po box and zip code numbers look similar to Z’s and the abbreviation Calif looks pretty good and even better though if the F would have more of a hook on it.

I think TRAV came to the exact same conclusion, or a similar one anyhow. I thought the same thing and the J in Vallejo stood out for me, and the CALIF & ZIPCODE looked alot like Z to me as well,overall, as soon as I saw it, it looked close enough to Z that I didnt want to lose it and bought it immediately

StitchMallone, Subject: Re: Zodiac, a CB Radio buff? Sun Mar 03, 2013 6:58 pm

It’s a good find and we all came up with pretty much the same conclusion on our own

morf13, Subject: Re: Zodiac, a CB Radio buff? Sun Mar 03, 2013 7:01 pm

Here’s another one I bought from Vallejo-

And here are 3 more from Vallejo that I saw but did not buy-

StitchMallone, Subject: Re: Zodiac, a CB Radio buff? Sun Mar 03, 2013 10:07 pm

Wow and the KFC 291 with the trailer looks a little like Zodiac’s bus bomb diagram. Glad you got these Morf and thanks for posting them for us to see.

Zamantha, Subject: Re: Zodiac, a CB Radio buff? Sun Mar 03, 2013 10:57 pm

Looks like an Air Steam Travel Tralier to me.
CB Radios were big with travelers & truckers.

smithy, Subject: Re: Zodiac, a CB Radio buff? Mon Mar 04, 2013 7:14 am

They look like some twisted Ham radio swingers.

Not all bad then, huh?

morf13, Subject: Re: Zodiac, a CB Radio buff? Mon Mar 04, 2013 7:50 pm

Couple more of these postcards:

StitchMallone, Subject: Re: Zodiac, a CB Radio buff? Mon Mar 04, 2013 8:10 pm

Pretty neat and the Zodiac one would be more interesting if it didn’t have a Georgia address.

patinky, Subject: Re: Zodiac, a CB Radio buff? Mon Mar 04, 2013 8:26 pm

Pretty neat and the Zodiac one would be more interesting if it didn’t have a Georgia address.

Hey, I’ve been telling all you all for months, based on his language and phrases, that Zodiac had ties to the South. Guess I just can’t get no respect. :lol!:

StitchMallone, Subject: Re: Zodiac, a CB Radio buff? Mon Mar 04, 2013 8:32 pm

Pretty neat and the Zodiac one would be more interesting if it didn’t have a Georgia address.

Hey, I’ve been telling all you all for months, based on his language and phrases, that Zodiac had ties to the South. Guess I just can’t get no respect. :lol!:

Lol there was those Zodiac like lovers lane murders in Georgia in the early 70’s. Happen to be a black male and maybe they had the right description of Zodiac at the Stine seen all along lol.

morf13, Subject: Re: Zodiac, a CB Radio buff? Mon Mar 04, 2013 8:34 pm

Pretty neat and the Zodiac one would be more interesting if it didn’t have a Georgia address.

Just in case I checked that Georgia guy out and he was not z

StitchMallone, Subject: Re: Zodiac, a CB Radio buff? Mon Mar 04, 2013 9:10 pm

Pretty neat and the Zodiac one would be more interesting if it didn’t have a Georgia address.

Just in case I checked that Georgia guy out and he was not z

Cool glad you did. Sadly like Zodiac he was never caught either and went doormat after a few killings., if I remember correctly. The Monster of Florence is also interesting when it comes to lover lane killings but I don’t think it is related to Zodiac either. Lol I’m out of here tonight lack of sleep lol. You mean the Georgia postcard Zodiac you checked out.

ggluckman, Subject: Re: Zodiac, a CB Radio buff? Thu Mar 07, 2013 9:28 am

I have seen many posts over the years at various sites discussing why Z may have been into CB radio and/or Ham radio.

The idea that Z might have beeen either a CB radio aficionado, or may have used a radio scanner is intriguing. Although I am not aware of any real evidence to support the thought, it almost seems surprising to think that he would not have taken advantage the ability to surreptiiciously listen in on active investigations. The radio thing would be kind like a magic missing ingredient.

As I said, interesting to speculate on, though I don’t think there is any actual evidence.

That said, the total lack of supporting evidence didn’t stop me from waking up at 4 am the other day after, a wild evening of dining on Z’s famous brownies with the magic missing ingredient, wondering if it is possible to use a taxi radio to cut into police channels and fake a police call. Does anybody know if this is within the reasonable realm of possibility?

The reason the thought–factless fantasy though it may be–caught my attention is that it might account for two oddities of the Paul Stine murder: reports of Stine gettting in the front seat, and his incredible luck that the suspect was reported to have been a black male adult. That kind of luck never happens to me when I am trying to make my getaways, so maybe Z made his own luck.

Anyway, I thought it was a cool thought, even if it is just the product of the brownies.

Thanks,

G

StitchMallone, Subject: Re: Zodiac, a CB Radio buff? Thu Mar 07, 2013 5:00 pm

I agree about no proof of Zodiac being a ham radio operator and think that was more or less speculation on LE. Imo I think it was likely that he was but again that is me just speculating. As for the ham radio if I remember correctly that is how Marshall became a suspect in the first place. His Ham radio buddy turned him in for saying he found something better then sex.

morf13, Subject: Re: Zodiac, a CB Radio buff? Tue Mar 12, 2013 11:34 pm

I have seen many posts over the years at various sites discussing why Z may have been into CB radio and/or Ham radio.

Today,I bought this item-

This is from the 1970s in Vallejo. Its a postcard,and various CB buffs and clubs used to exchange postcards with their own artwork etc,with others who were like minded. The writing caught my eye along with the artwork,etc, it looked close enough to Z in my opinion to buy it. I am trying to find out who the artist was.

Zodiac normally made his number 2’s look like the letter Z, except for the Belli envelope which looks alot like these 2’s. Anybody have any thoughts as to what the various letters & numbers might mean? 3’s and 8’s EB 1&2

Still looking for the maker/origin of this postcard…
In the meantime, I see alot of Vallejo people were into their Cbs-

Theforeigner, Subject: Re: Zodiac, a CB Radio buff? Wed Mar 13, 2013 1:45 am

I have seen many posts over the years at various sites discussing why Z may have been into CB radio and/or Ham radio.

Today,I bought this item-

This is from the 1970s in Vallejo. Its a postcard,and various CB buffs and clubs used to exchange postcards with their own artwork etc,with others who were like minded. The writing caught my eye along with the artwork,etc, it looked close enough to Z in my opinion to buy it. I am trying to find out who the artist was.

Zodiac normally made his number 2’s look like the letter Z, except for the Belli envelope which looks alot like these 2’s. Anybody have any thoughts as to what the various letters & numbers might mean? 3’s and 8’s EB 1&2

The PO BOX address is today listed to:

Navy Yard Association on Mare Island. (707) 562-1812. Po Box 849, Vallejo, CA 94590

It was ALSO the same PO BOX in 1975:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s … en&ct=clnk

NAVYYARD ASSOCIATION OF MARE ISLAND PO BOX 849VALLEJO, CA 94590-0084 Labor Organization * * * 07/1975

tahoe27, Subject: Re: Zodiac, a CB Radio buff? Wed Mar 13, 2013 2:30 am

Nice TF!

I just realized Cat Ballou and the Masked Man are from a movie:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0059017/

tahoe27, Subject: Re: Zodiac, a CB Radio buff? Wed Mar 13, 2013 2:47 am

Hey—Check "Chuck & Ellie Longanecker" (a Vallejo and Cat Ballou link)

Scroll about halfway down to the "Catnip Cup Gallery":

http://www.latitude38.com/LectronicLat/ … une27.html

…and here: http://www.sanfranciscosailing.com/abou … 4393bb51c4

Also a Lottie Ballou from Vallejo….and has a new costume shop in Benicia. I wonder if she has wigs? lol

http://www.sfstation.com/lottie-ballou-b2949321

http://www.lottieballou.com/

morf13, Subject: Re: Zodiac, a CB Radio buff? Wed Mar 13, 2013 8:53 am

Foreigner, the Navy Yard organization has only been using that Po Box for the last 5 years or so. The lady there told me that they were not using it back in the 1970s. I am going to call the post office and see if there is a way to find out who was using it back then,but they probably will not tell me. I am interested in the card specifically due to the writing along the bottom which looks pretty similar to Zodiac’s

tahoe27, Subject: Re: Zodiac, a CB Radio buff? Wed Mar 13, 2013 12:52 pm

Morf–

ARe their radio call numbers (or whatever you call them) on that card?

Here are some FCC registered licenses in Vallejo. I quickly glanced…saw some from the 80’s.

http://www.city-data.com/aradio/lic-Val … ornia.html

morf13, Subject: Re: Zodiac, a CB Radio buff? Wed Mar 13, 2013 1:57 pm

Morf–

ARe their radio call numbers (or whatever you call them) on that card?

***

Here are some FCC registered licenses in Vallejo. I quickly glanced…saw some from the 80’s.

http://www.city-data.com/aradio/lic-Val … ornia.html

No, no call#’s, only little numbers that represent abbreviations of words like hugs & kisses, etc I have seen a few Vallejo cards with call numbers,but of course,this one does not have them

Thanks for that link, I wish it went back to the 60’s

tahoe27, Subject: Re: Zodiac, a CB Radio buff? Wed Mar 13, 2013 2:34 pm

I noticed in that link I gave there is a ham radio club in Vallejo (one in Benicia too). Bet there are some older folks in some of those clubs who might know something. You could write them a letter…maybe….?

morf13, Subject: Re: Zodiac, a CB Radio buff? Wed Mar 13, 2013 2:35 pm

I noticed in that link I gave there is a ham radio club in Vallejo (one in Benicia too). Bet there are some older folks in some of those clubs who might know something. You could write them a letter…maybe….?

Thanks, worth a shot

StitchMallone, Subject: Re: Zodiac, a CB Radio buff? Wed Mar 13, 2013 11:05 pm

I noticed in that link I gave there is a ham radio club in Vallejo (one in Benicia too). Bet there are some older folks in some of those clubs who might know something. You could write them a letter…maybe….?

Thanks, worth a shot

I’d be interested in Bencia. I’m curios if any Zodiac suspects was Ham operators besides the known one Marshall.

morf13, Subject: Re: Zodiac, a CB Radio buff? Thu Mar 14, 2013 4:00 am

There was a guy named Joe Mahar in Darlene’s address book. He was from Albany NY. Back in the 1950’s, he had been stationed in the Bay Area in the navy. He was arrested for armed robbery one night in a Bay Area bar when he was stationed there. Years later, when he was older, he moved to Illinois. While in Illinois, he held a license for Ham radio

morf13, Subject: Re: Zodiac, a CB Radio buff? Thu Mar 14, 2013 12:52 pm

Tried to ask Vallejo post office straight up if they could look up who had the po box back in the late 60’s or into the 70’s,but they told me they have only been computerized for 10 years or so,and before that, all records were handwritten,and they no longer have them.

Tahoe,I took your advice,and I am attempting to contact about 5-6 of the people on that list of registered radio people in Vallejo,maybe they can shed some light

tahoe27, Subject: Re: Zodiac, a CB Radio buff? Thu Mar 14, 2013 1:35 pm

It’s certainly worth a try morf!