Quicktrader, Subject: EBEORIETEMETHHPITI   Sun Jul 22, 2012 7:24 am

Hi,

tried to use the letters EBEORIETEMETHHPITI to configure some name…in his cipher, Z mentions he will not give us his name, these letters following as sort of a rest of the text.

So I took about the most common 1,200 different male first names, picked them to figure out if you actually can make a name out of these letters. E.g. like with fully written middle name, which even could later match the my-name-is-cipher when just taking the first letter of the middle name.

As there are the letters ACDFGHJKLNQSUVWXYZ missing, I first took away all names with these letters in it. Later took away those with e.g. two ‘R’s as there is only one R…etc.

Finally, trying to match it to the my name is cipher I ended up with only one single first name, structure fitting to both, the my-name-is-cipher as well as the EBE… letter combination:

THEOE_E_E_ET
THEOI_I_I_ET

So the first & middle name could be something like Theo E… or Theo I….

As letter 8 & 13 of the my-name-is-cipher is identical, only the letters ‘I’ or ‘E’ (depending which of the above you take) may be taken, leading to:

T H E O E _ E I E _ E T I
T H E O I _ I E I _ E T E

with only the letters BRMHPTI or BRMHPTE left to use.

This leads to the – definite – result that, based on about 1,200 (corrected) male first names, there is no combination of EBEORIETEMETHHPITI letters matching the my-name-is-cipher except names like

– Theo E. Beiemeti/Beiereti/Beiepeti/Beieteti/Beieheti/Meiereti/Meiebeti/Meiepeti/Meieteti/Meieheti/Peiebeti/Peiereti/Peieteti/Peiemeti/Peieheti/Reiemeti/Reiebeti/Reieteti/Reiepeti/Reieheti/Heiemeti/Heiereti/Heiepeti/Heieteti/Heiebeti
– Theo I. Beiemeti….etc.

Actually I don´t think that such a name may exist, which is why I rather believe that we have a ‘cipher in the cipher’ approach, such as

E B E O R I E T E M E T H H P I T I
B O B H E R B…. etc.

of which I’ll try to figure out more. Also I’ll expand my first approach and will analyse about 15,000 surnames to possibly find some match on the ciphers.

QT

AK Wilks, Subject: Re: EBEORIETEMETHHPITI   Sun Jul 22, 2012 11:17 am

Good work! I like the "THEO" part, hmm, any Z suspects named THEO???

Also, what do you make of this:

TIMOTHIE E PHEIBERTE is what Graysmith says a "Chronicle reader" sent in. Zodiac, p. 58.

Quicktrader, Subject: Re: EBEORIETEMETHHPITI   Sun Jul 22, 2012 2:45 pm

Good work! I like the "THEO" part, hmm, any Z suspects named THEO???

Also, what do you make of this:

TIMOTHIE E PHEIBERTE is what Graysmith says a "Chronicle reader" sent in. Zodiac, p. 58.

It is some nice approach, I even thought about

PETER TIMOTHI HEEBIE or

PETE TIMOTHIE HERBIE or something like that,

however ruled Timothi(e) out – assuming that such a first name does not exist..

QT

AK Wilks, Subject: Re: EBEORIETEMETHHPITI   Sun Jul 22, 2012 3:04 pm

TIMOTHIE is a rare but real name.

Type it in google search and you will find real living people with that name.

It is old greek variant of Timothy meaning honored by god or honors god.

Quicktrader, Subject: Re: EBEORIETEMETHHPITI   Sun Jul 22, 2012 7:07 pm

TIMOTHIE is a rare but real name. Type it in google search and you will find real living people with that name. It is old greek variant of Timothy meaning honored by god or honors god.

Hi all,

meanwhile I could figure out that at least the EBEORIETEMETHHPITI letters are either for sure ‘wrong’ or have been shuffled by Z. Why that?

Because in the EBEORIETEMETHHPITI letters, the letters on position no. 1 & 3 are equal to each other and so are letters no. 16 & 18. Assuming that the 18 EBE… letters represent Z’s full name and the my-name-is-cipher some sort of short version, eg. with an abbreviated middle name, this would implicate a five or six-letter middle name (difference of length of the two ciphers and depending on the detail if the middle name is present with one single letter in the my-name-is-cipher or not).

However the ‘EBE…’ would still remain at the beginning of the my-name-is-cipher, meaning that cipher symbol no. 1 & 3 of the my-name-is-cipher would represent the same alphabetical letter. Also the ‘…ITI’ recurrence at the end of the my-name-is-cipher would remain in the my-name-is-cipher structure.

BUT: In the my-name-is-cipher, the third letter is equal to the antepenultimate (last but two) letter, implicating that E=I according to the EBE…IBI cipher structure. Also the first letter of the my-name-is-cipher is equal to the penultimate (last but one) letter of the cipher, implicating that E=T.

This would finally, if Z’s last name is longer than two letters which might somehow be assumed, doubtlessly result in the last three letters of the EBEORIETEMETHHPITI to be simply equal, eg. EEE.

No names end like that, so this is actually a definite proove that the EBEORIETEMETHHPITI either is WRONG by having e.g. a different MEANING than the my-name-is-cipher (e.g. not Z’s name but something like ‘the red phantom’) or that its letters have been shuffled by Zodiac.

If Z completely shuffled the letters of his name, we can finally go the statistical approach:

http://names.mongabay.com/baby-names/ap … -1970.html

kindly provides us with the top 10,000 first names of the US in the 1970s….

But even with those, however, the results don’t get much better at all, only the following first names appear to may match both, the available EBE letters as well as the my-name-is-cipher (regarding the recurring letters on pos. no. 1 & 3, therefore ‘rules’ for that were: Recurrence of letters no. 1 & 3 at the end of themy-name-is-cipher structure, but limited letters available from the EBEORIETEMETHHPITI cipher:

EBER
IBE
THEO
TEE
TRE
ERIE
EMIR
TRI
ETTORE
EITH
HO
TI

which obviously includes even one or two Chinese ‘names’ , or ‘Theo’ still being available.

All the names end up – according to the letters available from the EBEORIETEMETHHPITI – with either three ‘E’s or ‘I’s or (even both possibilities) or ‘T’s that might represent the Taurus-symbol.

For those who are still following , we now go on with the surnames, let’s just take about 18,000 (thanks 2 US Census Bureau, btw):

Assuming that all three Taurus symbols are present in Z’s surname, we get a list of about 100 surnames from those 18,000 (~0.5%):

AMARAL
AMAYA
ARAKAKI
ARANA
AYALA
BARAJAS
CABANA
CALAHAN
CALAWAY
CAMARA
CAMMARATA
CANADA
CANADAY
CANAVAN
CARABALLO
CARAWAY
CASAVANT
CATALAN
CATALANO
CAVANAGH
CAVANAUGH
FLANAGAN
GAHAGAN
GASAWAY
GAZAWAY
GRANATA
HAGAMAN
HAKALA
HAMADA
HARADA
KAVANAGH
KAVANAUGH
KAWAKAMI
MAGANA
MANAHAN
MCCLANAHAN
MCNAMARA
NAGATA
NAKAGAWA
NAKAYAMA
PARADA
RADABAUGH
SABALA
SALAMANCA
SALAZAR
SAVALA
SHANAHAN
TAKAHASHI
TALAMANTES
TALAMANTEZ
TANAKA
TREADAWAY
WAGAMAN
WANAMAKER
WATANABE
YAMADA
YAMASAKI
ZABALA
ZAPATA (Rest. in Presidio, btw)
ZAVALA
HITCHCOCK
ALDERETE
BENEDETTI
BENEDETTO
CECERE
DEVEREAUX
DEBENEDETTO
EDELEN
EVERETT
EVERETTE
FEDELE
FEREBEE
KELEMEN
LEDERER
LEFEVER
LEGERE
LEVERETT
LEVERETTE
MENEFEE
MENESES
NEBEKER
NIEMEYER
REVELES
SEVERE
SNEDEKER
VOEGELE
WEGENER
SICILIANO
VICINI
AMOROSO
BONOMO
DONOHO
DONOHOE
LOCOCO
ODONOGUE
SOKOLOWSKI
SOLOMON
DUBUQUE

Some names sound quite familiar (esp. the names CALAHAN & EVERETT – we have a JOHN8V8R8THJR at CJB’s school, also Melvin B. had contact with a governmental employee named CALLAHAN; also the 26 St. Stephens Dr., possibly a precise result from the radian theory, was owned by a ‘Callahan’ or ‘Calahan’..). However there still remains the possibility that e.g. the first of the three Taurus-symbols represents the first letter of Z’s abbreviated middle name and does not belong to the surname itself.

But actually: Combining the first names above with the selected surnames (matching the three Taurus-Symbols) and finally matching the my-name-is-cipher structure with the available EBEORIETEMETHHPITI letters, might lead us to a possible selection of names – of which one could actually be the name of Z.

Doing this, we first should select all surnames with e.g. the letter ‘A’ – as there is no ‘A’ mentioned in EBEORIETEMETHHPITI etc….we finally end up – with no name matching both cipher structures at all.

Therefore my conclusion is:

– the meaning of EBEORIETEMETHHPITI is different than My-name-is-cipher, even if we assume that the latter cipher had e.g. the middle name abbreviated or
– EBEORIETEMETHHPITI may anyway be a completely different ‘cipher in the cipher’, with each letter standing for another letter, eg. E=B, B=O etc… (‘BOB…’)

The selection of surnames that include structures comparable to the three Taurus symbols may still be valid (we got a 99% cipher match leading us to a stocky, sandy blond guy from Ramona high…)

And there still is the possibility that one, presumably the first of the Taurus symbols represents a single abbreviated middle name letter, continuing the cipher with a rather common surname (e.g. JohnRTrurdings..or comparable, preferrably with the letters ‘E’, ‘I’ or ‘T’ as they are present 3x in the EBEORIETEMETHHPITI cipher.

No final solution today.

QT

banditslayer, Subject: THE MEANING    Mon Aug 20, 2012 9:58 pm

EBEORIETTEMETHHPITI

It is i before e except after t meth piti piti is party

Your man is a writer who writes this stuff when he is high!

Jem, Subject: Re: EBEORIETEMETHHPITI   Tue Aug 21, 2012 5:17 am

The Unsolved-18 could be the part of the letter that’s missing in THEIHAVEKILLED. The what you have killed, Mr. Zodiac?

tahoe27, Subject: Re: EBEORIETEMETHHPITI   Tue Aug 21, 2012 12:28 pm

EBEORIETTEMETHHPITI

It is i before e except after t meth piti piti is party

Your man is a writer who writes this stuff when he is high!

"i" before "e" except after "t"? Why "t" and why not "c"? And what is the spin behind that? I see "meth", but don’t get the rest. ?

traveller1st, Subject: Re: EBEORIETEMETHHPITI   Tue Aug 21, 2012 3:17 pm

I’m of the opinion that Glurk over on ZKF was right about this one and that the last 18 are just filler. This is backed up up by the fact that large chunks of it are symbols from other lines in the cipher pulled down to fill up those last 18 characters and balance it out to a full grid. But hey, you never know. I still poke at it as well occasionally just in case.

glurk, Subject: Re: EBEORIETEMETHHPITI   Sat Sep 29, 2012 1:45 am

I’m of the opinion that Glurk over on ZKF was right about this one and that the last 18 are just filler. This is backed up up by the fact that large chunks of it are symbols from other lines in the cipher pulled down to fill up those last 18 characters and balance it out to a full grid. But hey, you never know. I still poke at it as well occasionally just in case.

Apparently, Donald Harden himself also believed it to just be filler. Smithy sent me this link – don’t know exactly where it came from:

My "filler thread" at ZKF is here:

http://www.zodiackillerfacts.com/forum/ … f=49&t=423

-glurk

Quicktrader, Subject: Re: EBEORIETEMETHHPITI   Sat Sep 29, 2012 1:55 am

Besides the possibility of being a filler or a ‘cipher in the cipher’, two other possibilities exist:

– Harden’s solution could be partially wrong (!)
– the 18 letters could be the code for e.g. some Vigenere cipher

QT

glurk, Subject: Re: EBEORIETEMETHHPITI   Sat Sep 29, 2012 5:20 am

Besides the possibility of being a filler or a ‘cipher in the cipher’, two other possibilities exist:

– Harden’s solution could be partially wrong (!)
– the 18 letters could be the code for e.g. some Vigenere cipher

QT

Really? The entire message reads perfectly cleanly, except for the last 18. (Which are filler.) I am personally CERTAIN that the Harden solution is correct.

And I am certain (for myself) that the final 18 are just filler to make the message fit into 3 equal parts. Sometimes a spade is a spade. I understand why in
this case that people want to leave no rock unturned, etc. But my personal belief is that those trying to "solve" this part of the cipher are either 1) innocently
wasting their time trying to "solve" some random symbols, or 2) trying to permute these random symbols to prove that their POI was the Zodiac.

I’ll leave it at that. Any cryptographic analysis and logic suggests that it is simply filler. Smithy and I both came to the same conclusion some years ago (I don’t
actually know who came up with it first) and I’ll not be changing my opinion on it. And then the found article came up where Harden agrees. I’ll not argue.

-glurk

smithy, Subject: Re: EBEORIETEMETHHPITI   Sat Sep 29, 2012 2:49 pm

Filler!

Quicktrader, Subject: Re: EBEORIETEMETHHPITI   Sat Sep 29, 2012 4:53 pm

‘Besides the possibility of being a filler…’

QT

smithy, Subject: Re: EBEORIETEMETHHPITI   Sat Sep 29, 2012 5:01 pm

Since I’m certain that they’re filler, I haven’t countenanced any further possibilities – and don’t intend to.
Sometimes a spade is indeed just a multi-purpose digging device.

onewhoknows, Subject: Re: EBEORIETEMETHHPITI   Sun Sep 30, 2012 12:38 am

BEFORE I EAT METH PITY

By the way, would using Meth lead to homicidal behavior?

AK Wilks, Subject: Re: EBEORIETEMETHHPITI   Sun Sep 30, 2012 10:44 am

BEFORE I EAT METH PITY

By the way, would using Meth lead to homicidal behavior?

To the best of my knowledge, in the 1960’s and early 70’s people who used methamphetamine mostly called it "speed". I think the term "meth" became prevalent starting in the 1990’s. Heavy meth can cause manic and sometimes violent behavior.