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(@mike_r)
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This AM Vasa Croe called my attention to some stuff that a guy named Matthew had posted. I was at work and by the time I got home it had been removed as spam. I wish it had been left up so that we could explore its merits or lack thereof. Unless someone knows it was bogus, maybe it would have been best to leave it be for a while until we could get a handle on his credibility.

Mike

Mike Rodelli

Author, The Hunt for Zodiac; 3.9 stars on Amazon and
In The Shadow of Mt. Diablo: The Shocking True Identity of the Zodiac Killer, a second edition in print format. 4.3 Amazon stars and great Editorial reviews. Twitter:@mikerodelli

 
Posted : October 25, 2014 3:15 am
up2something
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It was trash. Really.

 
Posted : October 25, 2014 3:33 am
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he took images and randomly mirrored them then drew on them. his accompanying text was incomprehensible. he started probably thirty threads. im guessing troll but who knows.

 
Posted : October 25, 2014 3:52 am
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To summarize

Jabberwocky

`Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe;
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.

 
Posted : October 25, 2014 4:26 am
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So we know for a fact that he did the drawings? I only had my
phone and it was kind of staggering to take it all in. I wanted
to stick my finger in the wound like gary stewart’s stuff.

Mike

Mike Rodelli

Author, The Hunt for Zodiac; 3.9 stars on Amazon and
In The Shadow of Mt. Diablo: The Shocking True Identity of the Zodiac Killer, a second edition in print format. 4.3 Amazon stars and great Editorial reviews. Twitter:@mikerodelli

 
Posted : October 25, 2014 4:38 am
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This AM Vasa Croe called my attention to some stuff that a guy named Matthew had posted. I was at work and by the time I got home it had been removed as spam. I wish it had been left up so that we could explore its merits or lack thereof. Unless someone knows it was bogus, maybe it would have been best to leave it be for a while until we could get a handle on his credibility.

Mike

Hi Mike….yeah it was pretty bad. Very rambling posts with severe pareidolia mixed into some images he mirrored. Talked about seeing all kinds of faces and stuff in them. I don’t think you missed anything except for a forum meltdown in real time.

 
Posted : October 25, 2014 4:53 am
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I kept a small sampling of his nonsense:

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s1/sh/faeefe28-ed0b-4fa2-aff3-544201d03dd9/fc2014adf4ca90f0389e028feb2eeba7

Wanted to clip more but there was waaaaayy too much crap to shovel.

http://zodiackillerciphers.com

 
Posted : October 25, 2014 4:54 am
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Personally I think he was on to something …. no wait….on something, that’s the one. :P


I don’t know Chief, he’s very smart or very dumb.

 
Posted : October 25, 2014 5:02 am
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As I understand it, this guy "Matthew" basically accused Robert Graysmith of being the Zodiac killer, or did I get that wrong?

Hi, english is not my first language so please bear with me :)

 
Posted : October 25, 2014 9:08 am
vasa croe
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As I understand it, this guy "Matthew" basically accused Robert Graysmith of being the Zodiac killer, or did I get that wrong?

Yep…he did.

 
Posted : October 25, 2014 4:10 pm
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Hi-

I think the easiest one to question is the Stine envelope. Those black blotches on it presumably come from the ninhydrin and what reacted with it on the envelope. Therefore, the "space man" or whatever that is was not on the letter before it was handled in such a way as to lead to that pattern of ninhydrin. Does that sound right?

Say what you will about his work but the drawings are stunning and exquisite. I don’t know about the evidentiary value of this stuff but if he were offering framed prints I’d be interested, LOL.

Dr. Rorschach would be proud of this stuff.

Mike

Mike Rodelli

Author, The Hunt for Zodiac; 3.9 stars on Amazon and
In The Shadow of Mt. Diablo: The Shocking True Identity of the Zodiac Killer, a second edition in print format. 4.3 Amazon stars and great Editorial reviews. Twitter:@mikerodelli

 
Posted : October 25, 2014 5:05 pm
smithy
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Mike – ‘ware feeding the troll!
I should add though – yes, quite purty some of them. ;)

 
Posted : October 25, 2014 5:46 pm
traveller1st
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S’a pity there has been so much trollage over the years. There may have been ideas and areas in his stuff worth offshooting from and exploring (as I think Zodiac was in the artistic end of the spectrum to some degree) but alas there seems to be this subculture of uber-smart theories and theorists who can’t help but flood post. I blame the internet. :D


I don’t know Chief, he’s very smart or very dumb.

 
Posted : October 25, 2014 7:37 pm
Norse
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I kept a small sampling of his nonsense:

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s1/sh/faeefe28-ed0b-4fa2-aff3-544201d03dd9/fc2014adf4ca90f0389e028feb2eeba7

Wanted to clip more but there was waaaaayy too much crap to shovel.

He’s solved it! And you reactionary fools threw him out! Oh, the humanity…

I take an interest – more and more, actually – not only in the Z case but in the many, erm, fascinating people who have gotten themselves caught up in it over the years. So this is good stuff. For those of you who may know – is this the same guy who was active on Butterfield’s forum some years ago? Or was that a different "hidden faces in the letters" character?

 
Posted : October 25, 2014 10:28 pm
glurk
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Say what you will about his work but the drawings are stunning and exquisite. I don’t know about the evidentiary value of this stuff but if he were offering framed prints I’d be interested, LOL.

Well, I guess that where some people see "stunning and exquisite," other people, like myself, see total and utter crap. A good deal of what he was "seeing" wasn’t even anything that was IN the actual images anyway, it was compression artifacts from bad resizing of the (already lossy to start with) JPEG images.

For those of you who may know – is this the same guy who was active on Butterfield’s forum some years ago? Or was that a different "hidden faces in the letters" character?

Um no, that was someone different. Dr. Larry D’Antonio, who promised a book called "The Artwork of the Zodiac Killer: The Evidence that was Missed." The book never appeared, but a short article about it is here:

http://www.zoominfo.com/p/Lawrence-D%27 … 1347917891

Dr. D’Antonio wasn’t using a mirror (that I know of) but was recording his LCD computer screen with a camcorder, and also doing something or other with silly putty.

-glurk

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I don’t believe in monsters.

 
Posted : October 26, 2014 11:25 am
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