Law Enforcement have DeAngelo’s full DNA profile. They also posses JJ DeAngelo itself.
A check of DeAngelo’s DNA against the partial Zodiac DNA that Police have, and/or a comparison against the fingerprints from the Stine cab, would rule him in or out definitively. I do not know that this comparison has been done, but I suspect that detectives have probably have gone that route for these cases. And if so, that we have heard of no breaks in the Z case or the EAR/ONS case would indicate that DeAngelo is not the Zodiac.
That was too much!
Batman: is that image you posted a detail of a DeAngelo police report on a threatening phone caller, when the caller was likely DeAngelo himself?
That was too much!
Batman: is that image you posted a detail of a DeAngelo police report on a threatening phone caller, when the caller was likely DeAngelo himself?
I don’t know for sure, but I guess it’s possible. It reminds me of how BTK worked at ADT. Imagine that. People having a security system installed in their home to protect them from BTK, and it was BTK who was installing it.
Law Enforcement have DeAngelo’s full DNA profile. They also posses JJ DeAngelo itself.
A check of DeAngelo’s DNA against the partial Zodiac DNA that Police have, and/or a comparison against the fingerprints from the Stine cab, would rule him in or out definitively. I do not know that this comparison has been done, but I suspect that detectives have probably have gone that route for these cases. And if so, that we have heard of no breaks in the Z case or the EAR/ONS case would indicate that DeAngelo is not the Zodiac.
This is the most telling part of what’s going on. It would absolutely kill the idea of JJD if there was a definite "no match" scenario. I hear so many things on DNA that I simply don’t know if they ever got DNA. I also heard conflicting things about fingerprints. Investigators at the time said they believe there was a match between LB and PH. But the quote left room for doubt, and it’s fuzzy at best, and to my knowledge there was never a follow up on that statement and nothing came of it.
The loudest voice right now is the deafening silence from Law enforcement on Zodiac and JJD, which continue to be investigated. My gut tells me they have known JJD was Zodiac for a while, but obviously I could be wrong. About all of this. A lot of people exclude JJD because of MO, but we know for a fact that Paul Holes said the JJD crimes that we know about pales in comparison to the totality of crimes he committed. So, how in the world could people keep JJD in a MO box all nice and tidy if we have no idea what other crimes he committed? If there were twice as many East Area rapes, we would know about it, I think. Because it would be obvious. I believe the reason we don’t know about other crimes yet is because they are different in MO, thereby killing the escalation theory. I believe he did exactly what he claimed and changed the way he operated. I also wonder if he never took credit for earlier crimes, like DE, Ray Davis and the Swindles because he hadn’t learned how to cover his tracks as well and was worried they could be tied to him. Who knows.
In reading more about Readiness condition Z, it was designed to be able to hide in the dark…to keep the ship dark so it could not be detected.
I also wonder if he never took credit for earlier crimes, like DE, Ray Davis and the Swindles because he hadn’t learned how to cover his tracks as well and was worried they could be tied to him. Who knows.
What reason is there to suspect a teenage DeAngelo was killing in southern California in the early 1960s?
There’s no chance DeAngelo is/was Zodiac.
Zodiac is Zodiac. He’s his own, unique criminal. Not just because of what he did but how he did it, the way people flock around the case like no other case in history. Even Jack The RIpper, so much of it reads like a incredibly dark noir, to the point I think we all forget that it happened, or that it was only 120 years ago.
Zodiac has ties that are so…approachable? Whether it’s Sandy Betts, or detectives and witness still alive/only recently deceased, or people in the primes of their lives who were alive during it, maybe even recall it.
I heard someone say that it’s really a local story. But it’s beyond just Graysmith putting out some sensationalist story. The drama is like the nuts and bolts, rather than anything akin to tabloid fodder.
It could sound like I’m holding Zodiac to some high standard of serial killer humanity. But I don’t think that’s it. I see no reason to believe that Zodiac, himself, would become a rapist. That’s just not possible for me. Like 0%.
I also wonder if he never took credit for earlier crimes, like DE, Ray Davis and the Swindles because he hadn’t learned how to cover his tracks as well and was worried they could be tied to him. Who knows.
What reason is there to suspect a teenage DeAngelo was killing in southern California in the early 1960s?
My logic is that those crimes match closely to Zodiac, and Zodiac matches closely to JJD, so there you go. Take a look at this site (Warning…huge time suck) https://murderincorp.wordpress.com/gsk/
JJD was breaking into homes as a young teenager, killing dogs. There is at least one story direct from a good friend that he would shoot at his friend with his rifle when his friend was in the creek. Coming dangerously close to him. Also the early killings of the Swindles happened from someone behaving like a sniper. Just like the DE murders have an element of that to them. And he did kill animals as a teen. There was a giant rash of arsenic poisonings of pets in his stomping grounds growing up. So a couple of years after that, when he is supposed to be in high school, it looks like he might have been running around as Sandy. Exact same age as Sandy. Exact same description. Same joy when stabbing someone. It just all fits in my head. It feels right. I have never seen anything to exclude JJD, and let’s face it. He is one of the biggest serial offenders in the country and his life overlays perfectly with Zodiac. Why wouldn’t he be given consideration?
The loudest voice right now is the deafening silence from Law enforcement on Zodiac and JJD, which continue to be investigated. My gut tells me they have known JJD was Zodiac for a while, but obviously I could be wrong.
There’s a deafening silence from LE about everything Zodiac-related these days, so I wouldn’t read too much into it.
There’s no chance DeAngelo is/was Zodiac.
I agree – two very different criminals. However, I am not aware of any specific law enforcement comments on the matter. Nothing like, "we ruled him out as Zodiac …."
That was too much!
The loudest voice right now is the deafening silence from Law enforcement on Zodiac and JJD, which continue to be investigated. My gut tells me they have known JJD was Zodiac for a while, but obviously I could be wrong.
There’s a deafening silence from LE about everything Zodiac-related these days, so I wouldn’t read too much into it.
Why the silence these days? I haven’t followed any of it until two or three years ago, when I think is when the new buzz surrounding Zodiac picked back up. But since then, crickets, except Voight and a couple of others vaguely teasing progress.
The loudest voice right now is the deafening silence from Law enforcement on Zodiac and JJD, which continue to be investigated. My gut tells me they have known JJD was Zodiac for a while, but obviously I could be wrong.
There’s a deafening silence from LE about everything Zodiac-related these days, so I wouldn’t read too much into it.
Why the silence these days? I haven’t followed any of it until two or three years ago, when I think is when the new buzz surrounding Zodiac picked back up. But since then, crickets, except Voight and a couple of others vaguely teasing progress.
I tend to think that silence is golden. If there was bad news about DNA, we would probably find out.
I tend to think that silence is golden. If there was bad news about DNA, we would probably find out.
I feel like that too. Maybe it’s wishful thinking, but it seems like a total and complete information blackout.
