Just couldn’t do it, could ya? Couldn’t resist the lure of the Zodiac.

For argument’s sake, I’m going to call you "Ray". So, Ray, this binary stuff has been around for some time. It did shed some important light on the Zodiac case a while back – that it is too subjective and open-ended to come up with a reliable solution. Therefore, solutions employing this and similar methodologies are flawed and pretty much useless. If Zodiac truly employed some binary-morse methodology, then the solution is probably lost for all time.

Just one more reason, that if I were a detective assigned to this case, I’d let my answering machine take all calls.

Looking at the famous 340 Zodiac cipher/code one thing stands out above all others in that there are simple "dots" within the block matrix placed at "6" intervals. This very strongly hints at this cipher/code being binary in nature as dots are used as place holders in binary math without which would make little sense. These dots are placed as such within the matrix grid :
The first dot counting from the top to the right appears after the (28) symbols. The second appears after the next (86) symbols. The third appears again after the next (86) symbols. The fourth appears after the following (31) symbols. The fifth appears after the next (25) symbols. The final and sixth appears following the next (8) symbols in the graph. Next there are (73) symbols until the end of the graph with no dot place holder.

28 86 86 31 25 8 73

This, from your original post, is itself incorrect. There are indeed six "dot" symbols in the 340 cipher. So, if your numbers are to represent the # of symbols ‘between’ the dots, we can just add them together:

(Note: This is not mathemagic or anything fancy like that, just basic addition and subtraction)

28 + 86 + 86 + 31 + 25 + 8 + 73 = 337
And 340 – 337 = 3

So where did the other 3 dots go? You counted incorrectly. So your entire base premise falls apart from that alone.
It doesn’t really matter what they are in binary, or in morse, since you failed to even make a correct count to begin with.

-glurk

EDIT: Made a spelling correction.

I said there are 6 dot place holders withing the cipher matrix grid.

28 86 86 31 25 8 73

There are 7 sets of numbers because I count from the last dot place holder to the end where there is not a dot just the end of the grid, thus, 7, or in simpler terms, I count from the beginning to the first ……then at the last dot PH I count to the end of the matrix grid. I never even counted the full line which does in fact equal 337 I only needed to count the two (2) double sets of numbers the two sets of 86(within the place holder letter sequence) and the two 46 sequence within the binary string and the Morse string. As far as your question about where are the missing 3 dots …… I believe that you have made a blunder. Please, take this reply and look back over my solution and you will find that its solid.

CM

Just couldn’t do it, could ya? Couldn’t resist the lure of the Zodiac.

For argument’s sake, I’m going to call you "Ray". So, Ray, this binary stuff has been around for some time. It did shed some important light on the Zodiac case a while back – that it is too subjective and open-ended to come up with a reliable solution. Therefore, solutions employing this and similar methodologies are flawed and pretty much useless. If Zodiac truly employed some binary-morse methodology, then the solution is probably lost for all time.

Just one more reason, that if I were a detective assigned to this case, I’d let my answering machine take all calls.

Ray is very close but no ciGar

Is that you, Ray?

Close…I was going to say "Is that you, Thermo?".

Is that you, Ray?

Close…I was going to say "Is that you, Thermo?".

J.L.K.??

Dante’s Inferno. Where have I heard that before? Just wondering who is taking credit for coming up with that one. It sounds like you (CM) are. Did you give R.G. that idea? He seems to have staked the claim on that one.

Interesting that you should talk about "by the rain" being an anagram of "the binary". Did you know that it’s also an anagram for "Tie Bryan H"…?

Interesting that you should talk about "by the rain" being an anagram of "the binary". Did you know that it’s also an anagram for "Tie Bryan H"…?

No, as a matter of fact I never have. Rather interesting solution I must say.

CM

Is that you, Ray?

Close…I was going to say "Is that you, Thermo?".

J.L.K.??

Dante’s Inferno. Where have I heard that before? Just wondering who is taking credit for coming up with that one. It sounds like you (CM) are. Did you give R.G. that idea? He seems to have staked the claim on that one.

Taking credit for what? Trying to get people to understand that Zodiac was using classic literature to communicate with people? Yes, Grant in fact was very aware of Dante’s Inferno being utilized in zodiacs work ( along with many others ), however, the "my name is cipher" solution being Dante’s Inferno is mine. I do not recall Mr. Grant ever showing this as I have. Besides, we are not on separate sides me and Mr. Grant we both tried to make people see, however, human psychology tells us accurately that Homo Sapiens only see what they want to see and nothing else even in the face of pure logic. You have seen that on orpord and its mine CipherMatrix …… that is where you have seen it before. Please provide a link to the original work before accusing me of stealing something it adds more credence to what you are trying to prove.

Cm

I said there are 6 dot place holders withing the cipher matrix grid.

28 86 86 31 25 8 73

There are 7 sets of numbers because I count from the last dot place holder to the end where there is not a dot just the end of the grid, thus, 7, or in simpler terms, I count from the beginning to the first ……then at the last dot PH I count to the end of the matrix grid. I never even counted the full line which does in fact equal 337 I only needed to count the two (2) double sets of numbers the two sets of 86(within the place holder letter sequence) and the two 46 sequence within the binary string and the Morse string. As far as your question about where are the missing 3 dots …… I believe that you have made a blunder. Please, take this reply and look back over my solution and you will find that its solid.

I know exactly what you said, and I say you are WRONG. The actual numbers would be:

28 86 83 31 25 8 73

Go count again and you will see. If I have to, I’ll draw you a picture.

-glurk

I’m not a fan of most of these approaches. By that I mean ones that rely on maths to find numbers to translate to letters to anagram into words. Mostly because my head doesn’t always follow but also because I suspect a lot of it might be just coincidence, compelling as we can convince ourselves it is. I mean maths is all around us.

I like the idea that Zodiac may have hidden messages and used maths in this to create his works but so far, IMO, I haven’t seen anything compelling enough or different enough from the crowd in this area to make me think, hmmmm, that’s interesting. Basically I don’t think I’ve seen anything to suggest that Zodiac wove maths through all his stuff and that it is the glue holding everything together. That is why we investigate though, to be sure. (That’s not meant to sound Irish BTW lol)

Math is not my forte but it does interest me, as much as it makes my eyes glaze over lol. I will ask questions but they will mostly be peripheral to the centre premise and lacking in understanding of the math.

So CM, If I’m understanding this (not always guaranteed) you suspect that binary might have been employed as a method to encode the 340. You aren’t sure though and haven’t found a way to test this yet so you are looking at the rest of the Zodiac stuff to find clues or proof of this and hopefully through that, a method or even a key for the binary idea? Is that kinda close?

I’m not a fan of most of these approaches. By that I mean ones that rely on maths to find numbers to translate to letters to anagram into words. Mostly because my head doesn’t always follow but also because I suspect a lot of it might be just coincidence, compelling as we can convince ourselves it is. I mean maths is all around us.

I like the idea that Zodiac may have hidden messages and used maths in this to create his works but so far, IMO, I haven’t seen anything compelling enough or different enough from the crowd in this area to make me think, hmmmm, that’s interesting. Basically I don’t think I’ve seen anything to suggest that Zodiac wove maths through all his stuff and that it is the glue holding everything together. That is why we investigate though, to be sure. (That’s not meant to sound Irish BTW lol)

Math is not my forte but it does interest me, as much as it makes my eyes glaze over lol. I will ask questions but they will mostly be peripheral to the centre premise and lacking in understanding of the math.

So CM, If I’m understanding this (not always guaranteed) you suspect that binary might have been employed as a method to encode the 340. You aren’t sure though and haven’t found a way to test this yet so you are looking at the rest of the Zodiac stuff to find clues or proof of this and hopefully through that, a method or even a key for the binary idea? Is that kinda close?

Somewhat correct, however, I only utilize binary towards the 340 and nothing else. There are clues that binary plays a role in Zodiacs work but nothing comes up in the actual puzzles in regard to binary math so its my assumption that only the 340 holds a message in binary even if its just the key. Most other aspects can be deciphered by other methods and mostly pure observation. As smart as Zodiac was his methods prove he was in fact insane at the time of the murders and therefore one must look at the Zodiac project in its entirety as insane to understand. What I’m trying to say is that the method was/is insane so there could be a sort of insanity in the math… kind of like a painting based on abstract method where the painter see’s a different picture than everyone else.

CM

I said there are 6 dot place holders withing the cipher matrix grid.

28 86 86 31 25 8 73

There are 7 sets of numbers because I count from the last dot place holder to the end where there is not a dot just the end of the grid, thus, 7, or in simpler terms, I count from the beginning to the first ……then at the last dot PH I count to the end of the matrix grid. I never even counted the full line which does in fact equal 337 I only needed to count the two (2) double sets of numbers the two sets of 86(within the place holder letter sequence) and the two 46 sequence within the binary string and the Morse string. As far as your question about where are the missing 3 dots …… I believe that you have made a blunder. Please, take this reply and look back over my solution and you will find that its solid.

I know exactly what you said, and I say you are WRONG. The actual numbers would be:

28 86 83 31 25 8 73

Go count again and you will see. If I have to, I’ll draw you a picture.

-glurk

No need for a picture glurk because I can assure you I already know, or better yet, if you would of asked I could have saved you some time in this regard as I have moved a few numbers around for public consumption as my book goes to print in the 4th month of this year title 14TEEN and it just would not do to have the big production already on the internet. As you will notice in my introduction here I was hit with the 340 rather suddenly and was unwilling to share in this regard, however, I stated rather clearly that I would provide a "partial" work up of my ideas in regards to the 340 and I can also assure you that the word "partial" can mean just that. Remember the V that was left out of the "Halloween Card Puzzle" but still added up to my solution? Same concept here only a different puzzle. Look at what I have left there carefully and you can probably figure it out on your own as I assume you are an intelligent man.

CM

….if you would of asked…

CM

Now I know you aren’t R.G. and might have misunderstood you saying you were also a Mensa member.

CM…I wasn’t accusing you of taking credit for R.G’s work, I was wondering if he took credit for yours. He discussed and posted in regards to Dante’s Inferno on message boards and his site and certainly gave credit to no one else for it.

I am not sure why you are here posting if you aren’t going to share your results. What is the point of it? Are you really writing a book? Will your results be in it? I think I know the answer.

….if you would of asked…

CM

Now I know you aren’t R.G. and might have misunderstood you saying you were also a Mensa member.

CM…I wasn’t accusing you of taking credit for R.G’s work, I was wondering if he took credit for yours. He discussed and posted in regards to Dante’s Inferno on message boards and his site and certainly gave credit to no one else for it.

I am not sure why you are here posting if you aren’t going to share your results. What is the point of it? Are you really writing a book? Will your results be in it? I think I know the answer.

Firstly, no I am not Mr. Grant albeit I am accused of such often I assure you. Yes, I am a member of Mensa as well as my daughter( nothing to brag about really). I never said that I would not share my results, because I will, just not in regards to the 340 until after the 4th month of this year. I am not writing a book it is finished and will be published under 14TEEN this year. Tahoe27 look how I posted my introduction. Being a man of psychology I know for a fact that :

A. Opening my introduction as I did would produce massive viewership in regards to my posts.
B. My incomplete posts would give me an idea of how the general public are looking at this case.
C. All my posts are made so that anyone can find the solution themselves(cryptic).
D. I am looking for people who can do C.

I do hope that addresses your concerns in regard to the above post authored by yourself.

Yours
CipherM

….if you would of asked…

CM

Now I know you aren’t R.G. and might have misunderstood you saying you were also a Mensa member.

CM…I wasn’t accusing you of taking credit for R.G’s work, I was wondering if he took credit for yours. He discussed and posted in regards to Dante’s Inferno on message boards and his site and certainly gave credit to no one else for it.

I am not sure why you are here posting if you aren’t going to share your results. What is the point of it? Are you really writing a book? Will your results be in it? I think I know the answer.

Firstly, no I am not Mr. Grant albeit I am accused of such often I assure you. Yes, I am a member of Mensa as well as my daughter( nothing to brag about really). I never said that I would not share my results, because I will, just not in regards to the 340 until after the 4th month of this year. I am not writing a book it is finished and will be published under 14TEEN this year. Tahoe27 look how I posted my introduction. Being a man of psychology I know for a fact that :

A. Opening my introduction as I did would produce massive viewership in regards to my posts.
B. My incomplete posts would give me an idea of how the general public are looking at this case.
C. All my posts are made so that anyone can find the solution themselves(cryptic).
D. I am looking for people who can do C.

I do hope that addresses your concerns in regard to the above post authored by yourself.

Yours
CipherM

Might want to re-word that tidbit I quoted above then. I’m sorry, but when folks need to point out they are Mensa members…they’re going to get certain things pointed out.

I don’t know why you don’t just take your results to the proper authorities. Why do you seek people who can find the solution themselves? I think you might be one who hopes most people can’t…we just aren’t as smart as you!

Yet another seeking profit off the horrendous murders of these people. Sickening really. I try to be nice here, but this stuff pisses me off. Have fun.