The guy that owned the Colorado cattle ranch, and used that Z symbol, also lived in southern CA at some point,but I dont recall the years he was there. I think it was in the Los Angeles area.

Wow if that’s true he can be placed in the area of many crimes..personally I don’t believe in accidential events, so the hardest part probably was to get the connection between Colorado and Calif..such connection shows that the symbol is not only similar but possibly the same symbol Z had used.

The questions now is: How is Z connected to the Colorado drawing / ranch..

QT

First off, the symbol ‘may be’ a match to the Zodiac’s Halloween symbol,it is NOT identical. Next, he was way too old to be Zodiac, so we can rule that out. But the symbol is indeed close to Zodiac’s halloween symbol, we cant ignore the wheel of doom comic Tahoe found,that is connected to that same rancher. Could Z have been a ranch hand,etc??? Maybe

G, I just mean that this comic death wheel is divided into 12 parts like the astrological Zodiac wheel even if the creator was too lazy to think up 12 different diabolical methods of killing. To me, it adds somewhat to the attraction Zodiac might have felt to the idea and the likelihood that he might have borrowed the idea for his own communications.

Hi Entropy,

Sorry if it seemed I was trying to point out a mistake. That wasn’t my purpose. I just picked on your quote as a convenient counterpoint to highlight the observation that the cover page is unique in a way.

Conceptually, the Death Wheel is supposed to represent 12 elements–rather like the astrological wheel, as you mention–but the way it is actually drawn on the cover page, it could only represent has half as many elements.

This may be significant because the actual canonical crimes (if you allow the KJ abduction, which Z claims was his) seem to correspond to the front page Death Wheel more so than the page 3 variations.

My apologies if I seemed to be implying criticism. Your thoughts were perfectly well formulated, I was just recycling your words for my own purpose.

G

Just clarifying, G. If not for that image of the Wheel of Death showing the four chosen methods of Z (at least for that one particular communication), I would honestly probably write this off to Zynchronicity. Personally, I don’t imagine Z sitting down with a copy of this 18 year-old comic to use as a template in creating the Halloween card. I imagine it more as something that was possibly burnt into his imagination, perhaps as an adolescent fantasy in reading this type of comic book, but I just think that the similarity to the astrological Zodiac wheel would be an added attraction.

This comic was published in June/July 1952. Question is, did Z buy it back when it was brand new in 1952,and hold onto it, or did he buy it used in the 1960’s from a comic book store,etc? Maybe we could get a better idea of his age. I tend to think that MOST comic book readers are younger.

Also, if I wanted to buy a used comic book in 1969 or 1970 in Vallejo,where would I get it from? Was there a direct comic book store in Vallejo?

Comic Book stores didn’t come into providence until the late 70’s to early 80’s Most people bought comic books from grocery stores or drug stores.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_market

There was a place called the WHITE ELEPHANT,or something close to that in Solano County back in the 60’s that sold comic books.

Back in the Day, Green’s Liquor & Cigar Store sold a ton of comic books.

Do you have anymore information on this White Elephant comic shop?

Here are the thrift stores that were in Vallejo in 1968-69 according to the Polk’s directory. There is a Clarence White who sold used items on Broadway. I do not know if this is the White Elephant store but maybe. There were no comic book stores listed.

Zamantha, the Green’s Liquor and Cigar Store you mentioned probably sold new comic books not ones that were published in 1952. Do you know if they sold used comics?

The White Elephant store was in Solano County, but I dont recall if it was in Vallejo. I got the info from a guy that currently runs a comic book store in Solano county. Will see if I can find more details

If you have newspaperarchive, and search ‘white elephant’ in 1974 Vallejo Times Herald, there are several hits for ‘white elephant’ sales of some sort, sounds like a chinese auction of some sort, or a fund raiser sale of some sort. There was also mention of a white elephant club.

This was the email I got from the comic book guy:

"My father tells of buying comics in Suisun City at the White Elephant store where kids would bring back 3 comics for 1 new one. He said that every kid in town had owned the same comic at one time with this system. This would have been in the early 60’s. I remember as a kid buying comics at Safeway when I would go to the market with my grandmother"

White Elephant was a common term used by clubs, churches, and other organizations for yard sales as fund raisers. There is even a wiki page!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Elephant_Sale

I recall there was a weekend flea market in southern Napa County called the Napa-Vallejo Flea Market. It was run by a man with the last name of Harding. They had tons of stalls and there were probably comic book sales in one or more of them. That’s about all I remember, so long ago…….

Here are the thrift stores that were in Vallejo in 1968-69 according to the Polk’s directory. There is a Clarence White who sold used items on Broadway. I do not know if this is the White Elephant store but maybe. There were no comic book stores listed.

Zamantha, the Green’s Liquor and Cigar Store you mentioned probably sold new comic books not ones that were published in 1952. Do you know if they sold used comics?

Yeah, I think only new comics as far as I can recall. (I always flash on that store since I spent so much time there. I always imagine the Z going there to read about himself in all the news papers)
Clarence WHITE, the name of White sure pops up from time to time, if that’s the correct store.

Here’s a really strange case that involved a comic book. This is from Laura Ann Bradbury’s fathers book Laura Ann Bradbury A Fathers Search.From page 76 Two people had information on Laura in Febuary 1985 Bill Leville 42, and his girl friend Toby Santangelo 21, They both lived in Pioneertown. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pioneertown,_California Bill and Toby went to the Morongo Valley Sheriff’s Station.They told told the sheriff they had information about Laura’s kidnapper they gave the sheriff a yellow baseball cap and a comic book with a local man’s name written on it, and a black and white photograph of the ex-girl friend of the suspect.They said said she would be named later.Bill and Toby claimed the yellow baseball cap which they had taken, belonged to the suspect.A day later, Bill found a comic book on their front door step on which was written, "Bill I have to talk to you".It was signed by the local Landers chemist they knew.The Sheriff showed the book to the Captain.Bill and Toby had requested protection when they brought the materials in. The captain told them they couldn’t protect everybody.Now, Bill had a little book hidden away.According to Bill,this book contained documentation on how and when Laura was kidnapped.A girl named Judy Thuett, a friend of Toby’s took this book and gave it to the desk sergeant.That was apparently the end of the book.It was reported lost. One of the sheriffs at the Morongo Valley Sheriff’s Department, who she claimed she gave the book to, stated that he did not see it.Another friend,named Reid,tells us he had the book in a safe deposit box.Bill Leville confided to Reid he believed he was going to be killed. Two months later Bill Leville was dead.Toby had left her husband, Douglas, a mechanic in Yucca Valley,to live with Bill. Douglas knew nothing of the trouble Bill and Toby were in until both Bill and Toby were found murderd, shot through the backs of their heads and both buried in separate graves in a dry lake bed.There private detective claimed he saw a copy of the autopsy report, and the bullets were from a very rare handgun, he thought it was a Japanese Nambu from World War II, or something similar in size, because of its unusual caliber.But they were both apparently kidnapped from their home, hands tied behind their backs, and driven to a remote dry lake and shot in the head.Their bodies were found by Marines hiking in a very remote dry lake bed and found bill’s arm sticking up out of the lake bed. http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/293785 http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showth … p?t=113068

Here’s some more little girls that went missing. http://zodiackiller.fr.yuku.com/reply/1 … ply-139346

Killerchaser,not sure if this case is Zodiac related,but it is a sad case for sure, the interview with the Father of this missing young girl hits home, being the Father of a young girl myself

I wonder if any of the other issues of the Tim Holt comics contain puzzles, cryptograms, etc…