Of the 49 names of possible Zodiac victims listed in the Appendix of Graysmith’s Zodiac, which ones have since been solved ?
Lynda Kanes (#20) was murdered by Willie "the Woodcutter" (he was convicted of the murder).
Philip Arthur Thompson went to trial for murdering Betty Cloer (#21) — was he convicted via DNA evidence? I think so…
Antionette Anstey (#14) is a "maybe" accident/mescaline OD. Eva Blau (#15) died within a day of Anstey, also believed to be a mescaline OD.
LE stated, in a recent cold case summary, they have a suspect for Donna Braun (#46), but not enough to go to trial.
Philip Joseph Hughes has been a POI in the murders of Elaine Davis (#9), Cosette Ellison (#10) and Patricia King (#11), but there’s never been a progression of any of those cases with regards to him (DNA cleared him?).
There seems to be a perceived connection between the murders of Hakari (#13), Bennalack (#18) and Hilburn (#19), but no suspects have ever been made public (to my knowledge).
I could go on for the apparent clusters (e.g. SRHM), but besides Kanes and Cloer, I don’t think any others have been definitively solved…
No idea why Graysmith considered any of these women to be Zodiac victims.
Yeah, no real basis to have them all listed.
The criteria really should be as follows (in my opinion):
*Couples attacked while in secluded areas
*Women attacked or accosted as they drove,by somebody trying to pull them over
*Womeb attacked after their car was disabled
*Any murder victims who’s family received any sort of anonymous taunting letters afterwards
Sure, Z could have kept his promise and killed in other unknown ways, but the ones above are truly the most common Zodiac M.O., and technically, the car trouble ones are not proven to be Zodiac (although I think they are personally)
There is more than one way to lose your life to a killer
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Pretty sure we’ve discussed 42 & 43 before…not sure which message board. Anyone remember? Wasn’t Michael actually a girl? Something was off anyway…I think.
“…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep.“ L.A. Times, 1969
Pretty sure we’ve discussed 42 & 43 before…not sure which message board. Anyone remember? Wasn’t Michael actually a girl? Something was off anyway…I think.
I think his spelling of their names was off for one thing 
Yeah, no real basis to have them all listed.
The criteria really should be as follows (in my opinion):
*Couples attacked while in secluded areas
*Women attacked or accosted as they drove,by somebody trying to pull them over
*Womeb attacked after their car was disabled
*Any murder victims who’s family received any sort of anonymous taunting letters afterwards
Sure, Z could have kept his promise and killed in other unknown ways, but the ones above are truly the most common Zodiac M.O., and technically, the car trouble ones are not proven to be Zodiac (although I think they are personally)
Meaning that’s the only case (KJ) that isn’t "proven" to be Z, but "Women attacked or accosted as they drove…" is (Isobel Watson)? Just curious if that’s what you mean as I don’t disagree with your criteria.
BTW, here’s a good article on Philip Arthur Thompson who was convicted of Betty Cloer’s (#21) murder, 27-years after the fact, due to DNA evidence:
Good post, Truth.
As to why Graysmith picked these names, his idea wasn’t too bad, really.
Graysmith’s #16, 17, 20, 24, 25, 26, 28, 31, 33, 35, 36, 37, 44 all appeared in newspaper articles that specifically mentioned the Zodiac.
Most of the rest were reported as being unsolved or as a related series, in particular the SRHM and other ones in the SF Bay area.
I disagree with his ideas about the ones being connected to water, the lunar cycle, and the astrological Zodiac. One of them I think was like 18 days "near" an astrological event which could be said for pretty much any date.
I also feel like PAT could be responsible for at least one of the other Sacramento murders, I don’t remember the case specifics but I think that there were differences in MO, but one of them was similar to Cloer’s death.
Pretty sure we’ve discussed 42 & 43 before…not sure which message board. Anyone remember? Wasn’t Michael actually a girl? Something was off anyway…I think.
I think his spelling of their names was off for one thing
Here is the discussion from the zk.com message board. Michael is a girl….thanks SEAGULL!!
http://zodiackiller.fr.yuku.com/topic/6 … eoRpNLVCSo
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“…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep.“ L.A. Times, 1969
We have a thread for Pethtel and Shaine right here!
Sandy and Ricardo visited the place where they were found and spoke to someone in LE about the case, IIRC.
We have a thread for Pethtel and Shaine right here!
http://www.zodiackillersite.com/viewtop … f=37&t=380
Sandy and Ricardo visited the place where they were found and spoke to someone in LE about the case, IIRC.
Doh! I even looked…sorry!
“…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep.“ L.A. Times, 1969
Good post, Truth.
As to why Graysmith picked these names, his idea wasn’t too bad, really.
Graysmith’s #16, 17, 20, 24, 25, 26, 28, 31, 33, 35, 36, 37, 44 all appeared in newspaper articles that specifically mentioned the Zodiac.
Most of the rest were reported as being unsolved or as a related series, in particular the SRHM and other ones in the SF Bay area.
I disagree with his ideas about the ones being connected to water, the lunar cycle, and the astrological Zodiac. One of them I think was like 18 days "near" an astrological event which could be said for pretty much any date.
I also feel like PAT could be responsible for at least one of the other Sacramento murders, I don’t remember the case specifics but I think that there were differences in MO, but one of them was similar to Cloer’s death.
I agree that the link within 18 days of an astrological event seems totally specious.
Its curious, to me, that he was able to pick so many that are still unsolved.
Yes, agreed PAT could certainly be responsible for many more. I think Carol Hilburn (#19) was similar to Cloer. I have some articles I’ll post…
