Will, I’m going to have a slice of bread from Erick Schat’s Bakkery, with some Blueberry Pomegranate Jam.
And, a hot cup of Joe. yum… yum… The truth has been overlooked, just like Alcatraz, lost in the fog of its myths.

Has anyone had any contact with Riverside PD recently regarding Cheri Jo or with the Riverside Enterprise Press?
This is a good time for an article with back to school right around the corner, a reminder and a remembrance. Girls Beware.

Has anyone had any contact with Riverside PD recently regarding Cheri Jo or with the Riverside Enterprise Press?
This is a good time for an article with back to school right around the corner, a reminder and a remembrance. Girls Beware.

Somebody was just saying recently that they reached out to RPD or to the Riverside Press and got no response

I was trying since April to get them to write an article about whether the "Bates had to die" letters were ever tested for DNA (since Z is thought to have sent them) and if they ever looked for impressed writing on those letters with the latest (non-destructive) technology.

As far as I can tell, the Press is completely brain dead. Good luck to someone else trying to get them to do some investigative work! They don’t have a pulse! But don’t let me stop you from trying. Maybe someone else can have some luck.

Mike

Hi-

It’s worth repeating: Dr. D. is a bald-faced liar. He has smelly stuff coming out of his ears. I forget what kind of doctor he claims to be but as far as the Z case is concerned, he is a quack. Listen to him at your own risk.

Mike

Here are my current concerns with the Cheri Jo Bates case being tied to Zodiac…
I would think that fingerprints and recovered DNA was compared to what SFPD and Napa had with no luck, and that is why LE poo-poos this theory.
Only morons wouldn’t cross check evidence like this, but guess what, Napa did not compare their DNA partial recently recovered, to what SFPD has, as far as was reported to me last December.
The other problem I’m having is conflicting reports on handwriting analysis.
Morrill says it matches Zodiac’s, then in 78 Shimoda, an Inspector with the State of California, says it isn’t a match, Zodiac to the Cheri Jo Bates letters and desk top.
The FBI says no in 1974, and then years later,with a word that had to be corrected by the transcriber, it says the writing "indicates" they were written by the same person. Unfortunately, crime analysis forensically, has been proven to be influenced by the known activity of a wanted criminal and the scenario fed to the examiner,
which must be taken into account with regards to Sherrill Morrill.
Something that did catch my eye, is that some of black out marks on the FBI letters, look similar to the marks at the bottom of Zodiac’s exorcist letter, was Zodiac blocking something out? Can someone see if there is something under those marks?
So here we are down to DNA, and I’m guessing what they did recover in Riverside, doesn’t match SFPD. Just my guess. I am hoping both agencies have re-submitted evidence recently with new DNA testing techniques.

The other problem I’m having is conflicting reports on handwriting analysis.
Morrill says it matches Zodiac’s, then in 78 Shimoda, an Inspector with the State of California, says it isn’t a match, Zodiac to the Cheri Jo Bates letters and desk top.
The FBI says no in 1974…

I’ve never heard of any official handwriting analysts contradicting Morrill’s assertion that Zodiac was responsible for the Riverside communications (desktop and Bates Had to Die letters). Where are you getting this from?

Only morons wouldn’t cross check evidence like this, but guess what, Napa did not compare their DNA partial recently recovered, to what SFPD has, as far as was reported to me last December.

Napa has recently recovered DNA? I’d sure like to know who told you this, as well.

The other problem I’m having is conflicting reports on handwriting analysis.
Morrill says it matches Zodiac’s, then in 78 Shimoda, an Inspector with the State of California, says it isn’t a match, Zodiac to the Cheri Jo Bates letters and desk top.
The FBI says no in 1974…

I’ve never heard of any official handwriting analysts contradicting Morrill’s assertion that Zodiac was responsible for the Riverside communications (desktop and Bates Had to Die letters). Where are you getting this from?

Only morons wouldn’t cross check evidence like this, but guess what, Napa did not compare their DNA partial recently recovered, to what SFPD has, as far as was reported to me last December.

Napa has recently recovered DNA? I’d sure like to know who told you this, as well.

First off, there IS a FBI file on this forum(someplace) about the Bates case writing. Morril states that the Zodiac "unquestionably" wrote the Bates letters, and the FBI seems to back that up. Shimota seems to have changed his mind at least once.

As far as the DNA, Napa was working on some possibilities with DNA evidence, but it did not lead anyplace positive as far as I understand it

That’s news to me. Didn’t know Shimoda ever passed any comments on the Riverside communiques.

The detective in charge of Napa’s current investigation (Pat McMahon, if I remember right) adamantly said that no DNA was obtained, period.

That’s news to me. Didn’t know Shimoda ever passed any comments on the Riverside communiques.

The detective in charge of Napa’s current investigation (Pat McMahon, if I remember right) adamantly said that no DNA was obtained, period.

If you look around here someplace,you will find that FBI memo about the Bates case writing.

As far as NAPA & the DNA,I think they tested some possible DNA sources,etc

Please read from your own posted Cheri Jo Bates FBI files listed under this thread by yourself.
I am still unable to copy and paste anything to this site.
See page number six under the FBI files for Cheri Jo Bates and you can clearly see that Shimoda says the writing of Zodiac does not match Bates letters.
This is why is has all been sent off to the FBI for their opinion…

Please read from your own posted Cheri Jo Bates FBI files listed under this thread by yourself.
I am still unable to copy and paste anything to this site.
See page number six under the FBI files for Cheri Jo Bates and you can clearly see that Shimoda says the writing of Zodiac does not match Bates letters.
This is why is has all been sent off to the FBI for their opinion…

And it would appear the FBI could not determine the Riverside communiques were at the hand of Zodiac:

The letter which states Shimoda did not think they were Zodiac letters:

All via this link: viewtopic.php?f=33&t=91

John Shimoda’s educational background on document examination: viewtopic.php?f=84&t=841

So strange how people choose to read these documents. Read now carefully what the FBI says at he end of their report including the part which
is blurred. They do not match the Bates letters to Zodiac. Please show me where Shimoda changes is mind and says it’s a match. Please show me where the FBI
confirms the Zodiac’s handwriting is a match to the Bates letters.

Regarding the Napa DNA, his name is Mike Collins and here is a portion of our communication last Fall.

We did get the D.N.A. results back on the most recent cold case submittal. I will say there is a glimmer of hope associated with the analysis but no great breakthrough. We don’t have enough to submit to Codis so any comparisons would be costly and time consuming. You are probably aware that the cold case grant funding has expired and the two Detectives in the unit have returned to regular duties. My role is to continue to collect related materials and organize the files. I have to obtain permission to do any additional D.N.A. work on a case by case basis as our Department will have to fund any such tests. We are considering an alternative, which, if achieved will give us the ability to work this case more thoroughly.

And when I asked him if it was compared to SFPD DNA partial, it had not been. And has this been compared to anything Riverside has? I don’t know.
There is a pathetic lack of communication on this case with various law enforcement agencies which was part of Zodiac’s original plan.

Read now carefully what the FBI says at he end of their report including the part which
is blurred. They do not match the Bates letters to Zodiac.

Yes, it appears the FBI stated something along the lines of: "Nothing of particular handwriting signifies ???? a match"

So..we have Shimoda who states these letters were not in Zodiac’s handwriting and the FBI who say nothing signifies a match. Interesting.

I dont have time to find the FBI page I am thinking of,but AK wrote this back in 2009 on ZKfacts:

"Re: CHERI JO BATES: Unsolved Crimes and Unanswered Questions

by akwilks » Sat Nov 21, 2009 9:39 pm

Having read many FBI reports, I disagree. They are generally very careful in their langauge. They note "consistent characteristics" that indicate the same person "may" have written all the materials. People asked for the reference, I provided it so they can read the reports themselves and come to their own conclusions as to what it and the less than clear langauge means.

Also, on p. 50 SFPD notes that Morrill "authenticated" the Riverside materials as Zodiac.

Yes, I strongly think Bates was a Z victim, based on the handwriting and so many other factors, including the police saying the letter writer had inside knowledge only the killer would have."