I had not seen this on this or the the other site , R.H. may be refering to R.H Bradshaw the RCC’s president then correct ?

I had not seen this on this or the the other site , R.H. may be refering to R.H Bradshaw the RCC’s president then correct ?

Yup, that’s been suggested before. One of the very early suggestions I think.

Here’s one source. 4th paragraph.

http://www.zodiackiller.com/AllenFile.html

…and here at the bottom.

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/seri … iac/3.html

That suggestion doesn’t quite make any sense, though. What are we supposed to think – that R.H. Bradshaw was involved somehow?

That suggestion doesn’t quite make any sense, though. What are we supposed to think – that R.H. Bradshaw was involved somehow?

I agree.

A long time ago,I had looked at this guy:
Name: Rudolph William Horstman
Birth: 10 Apr 1909
Death: 16 Jul 2008 – Riverside, Riverside, California, USA
Civil: California

He had been a teacher at RCC in the 50’s (not sure about the 60’s)Too old to be Z, HOWEVER,his son WAS Cheri Jo’s age. Although he was a teacher in Riverside in the 50’s and died in Riverside in 2008, I found this address:
351 Buena Vista Eas Av, San Francisco, CA, 94117 (1975)

Some more lead me to his son (another RH)-
Name: William Roy Horstman
Birth: 16 Apr 1946
Death: 2 Oct 2008 – San Francisco, San Francisco, California, USA
Civil: California

Apparently, his son was a psychiatrist,or something similar, and was gay. (Zodiac a latent homosexual?) Here’s a pic of Bill who died in 2008, which is why I put his info on here. I dont know, throw some glasses on him, and he’s got that overall Z look

According to his resume, he was in SAN FRAN in 1970, but where in 69???:

Education:
Ph.D. University of Oregon 1972
M.A. San Francisco State University 1970
B.A. University of California at Los Angeles 1968
Appointments:
· Virtual Flight Surgeons: 2005
· American Academy of HIV Medicine (AAHIVM) 2004
· Diplomate, American Board of Professional Disability Consultants 2002
· Clinical Supervisor, pre and post doctoral interns, Psychological Services Center, California
Institute of Integral Studies 1998-2001
· Professor, Advanced Clinical Skills, Department of Psychology, California Institute of Integral
Studies 2001
· Panelist, California Forensic Assessment Project 1995
· Evaluator, Mentally Disordered Offender Program, State of California 1989
· Examiner, American Board of Forensic Psychology 1988
· Diplomate, American Board of Professional Psychology (ABPP) 1987
· Diplomate, American Board of Forensic Psychology (ABFP) 1985
· Fellow, American Academy of Forensic Psychology 1985
· Instructor: Direct and Cross Examination of Medical Experts, Hastings School of Law, San
Francisco 1980
· Commissioner, Board of Psychology 1978
· Expert Psychological Consultant, Board of Psychology, Division of the Board of Medical Quality
Assurance, State of California 1978
· National Register of Health Care Service Providers in Psychology 1978
· Member, Panel of Psychological Specialists, Disability Evaluation Program, Department of
Health, State of California 1977
· Senior Psychologist, Panel of Expert Witnesses (Alienist Panel), Superior Court, City and County
of San Francisco 1975
· Licensed Psychologist, Clinical, State of California (PSY 4149) 1974
Areas of expertise:
1. Neurobehavioral assessment and psychological treatment of patients with HIV and other chronic,
life-threatening medical conditions
2. Independent medical evaluations to assess neuropsychological functional status for disability
claims and determination of fitness for duty
3. Criminal and civil competency to stand trial assessments as defined by California’s Penal Code
§1368 and §810-§814 of the Probate Code,
4 Sanity and restoration of sanity as defined by §1026(.2) of the California Penal Code
5 Civil and criminal violence assessments and assessments of potential for violence recidivism
6. Detection of malingering or symptom validityfor civil and criminal evaluations
7. Consultant and legal writer for direct and cross examination of medical/psychiatric experts
8. Neuropsychological evaluation for pilots (CogScreen-Aeromedical Edition)
9. Individual and couples psychotherapy
10. Ethical and legal conflicts in psychology
William R. Horstman, PhD, ABPP – Curriculum Vitae
pg. 2 of 2
Professional history:
1971-present
Private Practice
100 Bush Street, Suite 1428
San Francisco, California 94104
1973-1975
Senior Clinical Psychologist
Jail Psychiatric Services, San Francisco, California
1973
Staff Clinical Psychologist with outpatient chief of crisis team
Northeast Crisis Services, San Francisco, California
1971-1973
Neuropsychological Assessment and Clinical Psychology
Pre & Post Doctoral Internship (APA approved), San Francisco Veterans Administration Hospital
Professional Associations:
· National Academy of Neuropsychology (NAN)
· American College of Forensic Psychology (ACSF)
· California State Psychological Association (CPA)
· Society for Personality Assessment (SPA)
· American Psychological Association (APA)
Member, APA Division 44 (Society for the Psychological Study of Lesbian, Gay, and Bisexual
Issues) and APA Division 40 (Clinical Neuropsychology)
· Bay Area Lawyers for Individual Freedom (BALiF)
· San Francisco Trial Lawyers Association (SFTLA)
· National Gay Pilots Association (NGPA)
· American Psychology-Law Association (AP-LS)
Recent Professional Activities:
Primary Speaker at the 2004 Psychiatric Disability Consultants’ Conference
Diagnosis v. Disability: Clarifying the Confusion about HIV & CFS
The Relationship Between
Lipoatrophy and Quality of Life, M. Echavez & W. Horstman,
The AIDS Reader 2005, 15(7):369-375.
Summary:
34 years of experience which includes over 1,500 individual and group psychotherapy patients; supervision
of over 150 neuropsychological/clinical pre-/post-doctoral students and psychiatric residents; > 5,000
clinical, neuropsychological, and forensic examinations/reports; >300 Municipal, Superior and Federal
Expert Court Testimonies as well as countless depositions.

What caught my attention was this-
University of Oregon 1972 Seems he left the bay area perhaps to go to school in Oregon, which fits nicely into Zodiac’s lack of letters in 1972.

I never found much more on this guy and didnt go alot deeper. If anybody thinks he is viable as a suspect, we can always dig deeper

OK I was not sure, I thought the initials were just meant as the writer /author was talking to R .H directly Zodiac seemed to like to talk and tawnt the top people ; chief of police, newspaper editors
I read it at this site ,so he was the Pres. then

http://members.tripod.com/ol_dirty_paul … /id11.html

I can’t remember…did we ever look at GIRLS with the initials "R.H."?

Probably not a popular task for those who think it was written by Zodiac.

Seems someone WAS taking credit for their piece of work.

I can’t remember…did we ever look at GIRLS with the initials "R.H."?

Probably not a popular task for those who think it was written by Zodiac.

Seems someone WAS taking credit for their piece of work.

I didn’t look but I did suggest it somewhere I think. I remember typing RHonda as a tongue in cheek suggestion. Seemed logical that if a female RH could be found and it turned out she did write it then that would put an end to it.

Good thing it wasn’t "P.H."….or we’d all be questioning Patricia!

I can’t remember…did we ever look at GIRLS with the initials "R.H."?

Probably not a popular task for those who think it was written by Zodiac.

Seems someone WAS taking credit for their piece of work.

There WAS a girl in RCC in 66 yearbook with those initials. I tried to contact her to ask her and never got a reply. I for one am of the belief that whomever made that poem was likely a male. I dont ever remember seeing a girl write on a desk in school, but do remember seeing many guys do it. Seems like more of a guy’s thing to do

"For what it’s worth, writing on desks is a guy’s habit I would venture to guess, I have never seen girls write on a desk but have seen many guys do it."

Agreed. And also, some of the words just do not seem like a female would have wrote them. "blood spurting" is a perfect example. I have been a death metal musician for a long time, and I know this is not a very good comparison, but I have heard/seen a bunch of guys write songs with lyrics like this. Not one have a seen/heard a female do it, and I know a lot of female vocalists who write the lyrics for their bands. And this is modern day. I imagine that back then, females were… well, I don’t really know where I was going with that. Need sleep. Hopefully this makes sense. Sorry for the late night nonsense. I read someone posted about how sometimes these pens would have more ink on the ballpoint and some letters would have more ink or be darker looking, but if you look, certain WORDS seem to be in a bolder print. The line "all over her new" the word her is bold. The word time is clearly in bold as well.

Although I have mentioned it in this thread before, I think it is important to note that the "desktop poem" was actually written on the
bottom of the desk surface, not the top. So someone either turned the desk upside-down, sat underneath it upside-down, or took the
top off of the desk to write on the bottom. None of which would seem easy to do in a classroom…

-glurk

Although I have mentioned it in this thread before, I think it is important to note that the "desktop poem" was actually written on the
bottom of the desk surface, not the top. So someone either turned the desk upside-down, sat underneath it upside-down, or took the
top off of the desk to write on the bottom. None of which would seem easy to do in a classroom…

-glurk

Maybe the part the chair was flexible to sit down easier? Nevertheless..it either was done during class or by someone who had (regularly) access to the school building.

QT

Although I have mentioned it in this thread before, I think it is important to note that the "desktop poem" was actually written on the
bottom of the desk surface, not the top. So someone either turned the desk upside-down, sat underneath it upside-down, or took the
top off of the desk to write on the bottom. None of which would seem easy to do in a classroom…

-glurk

Glurk, I believe it was actually one of those old-school desks in which the writing surface flips up to allow access to the seat and flips down in front of you when you are sitting in the chair. It would still be hard to write legibly (or inconspicuously) while sitting in a classroom but it wouldn’t take that much contortion to write on.

Can anyone else confirm that?

I thought it was a hinged/flip desktop as well, but I can’t seem to find anything to confirm that. I remember the discussion coming up on zkf a few years ago. Don’t think there was any resolution though.

i kinda fall into the camp a student who worked after hours cleaning classrooms is the author…or some kid sat in class 15 minutes before the professor or the rest of the students arrived…there are several ways that poem could have been penned with no other eyes close-by…