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 Wier
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Probably explainable but i’m missing it at the moment…..There’s another statement in the Confession letter that’s been bugging me for a while….

" I followed her out after about two minutes, the battery must have been about dead by then". While I never believed it happened that way to begin with, the latter half of that statement is just so out of place for me, not only what it says but the way it’s said. "The battery must have been about dead by then". I’m thinking to myself well, was it or wasn’t it, you should know.
CJB’s car is 100ft or so from the library, his is down the alley behind it. I thought the whole ruse to allow him to approach was to see and hear Cheri attempting to start the car. Thereafter he was supposed to pretend to have a look etc, would that not also include one of them giving it another go?
Or does it all smack of a freudian slip?

 
Posted : September 23, 2013 2:34 pm
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Wier-

Being a bit of a "car guy" myself, that is an interesting statement. The center terminal of a distributor in a car goes to the ignition coil, and by disconnecting it, the car will get no spark, and will not start at all.
But doing that won’t drain the battery, or make it "dead." In fact, electrically, it would be very very very hard to make a car battery go dead (no voltage) in a short amount of time. It makes one think that the
writer (whoever it was) knew how to disable a car from starting, but either did not know much about batteries, or was being intentionally deceptive.

That is an interesting statement. It doesn’t make much sense. It bugs me too.

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Posted : September 23, 2013 2:54 pm
 Wier
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Thanks Glurk, while not knowing a hell of a lot about cars I just couldn’t see the battery draining that soon. Even the way he says it, gives a sense of him being in the library saying to himself, Ok, the battery must be dead now, it’s time to move. Even the tense seems out of place.
That said and I don’t know if I believe it, I could see it being a freudian slip written by someone who wasn’t there. Perhaps a person attempting to fill in the blanks based on what info he did have.
I’ll expand when I’ve more time but this, the disguise of the typewriter and the babysitter are all forcing me to question all of this.

 
Posted : September 23, 2013 3:16 pm
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Bentley,who has been MIA here for months,could bring alot to this discussion,and I think he may have discussed it before a couple years ago at zkfacts.com. He knows alot about cars

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Posted : September 23, 2013 4:35 pm
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Guess with Z having been about e.g. 22 years of age at that time, his knowledge about car stuff wasn’t the very best..at that age I could have made such a statement easily, especially after senselessly ripping off some wires, too.

What I wonder more is how he may have opened the car to get to the motor..was it possibly easier at such older models?

QT

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Posted : September 23, 2013 5:13 pm
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Guess with Z having been about e.g. 22 years of age at that time, his knowledge about car stuff wasn’t the very best..at that age I could have made such a statement easily, especially after senselessly ripping off some wires, too.

What I wonder more is how he may have opened the car to get to the motor..was it possibly easier at such older models?

QT

on a 64 bug ? press the button on the latch ,open the deck lid and the distributor is right there I think I could pull the coil wire in 5-7 seconds . I worked at a dealer that had VW in the 70’s and young women would come in to the parts counter with there dads frantic to buy a locking latch that VW sold, I bet it was after hearing of the bates murder and how it happened

 
Posted : September 23, 2013 6:02 pm
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Guess with Z having been about e.g. 22 years of age at that time, his knowledge about car stuff wasn’t the very best..at that age I could have made such a statement easily, especially after senselessly ripping off some wires, too.

What I wonder more is how he may have opened the car to get to the motor..was it possibly easier at such older models?

QT

Concerning Zodiac’s age:

In Oct 1969 police belived that Zodiac was 35-45 years old.
That is the age provided by LE on the Oct 18, 1969 amended Zodiac Killer wanted poster, based on several witnesses, among them two police officers.

That would make his year of birth somwhat between 1924 and 1934.
So according to LE, in 1966, he would have been between 32 and 42 years old.

Hi, english is not my first language so please bear with me :)

 
Posted : September 23, 2013 6:27 pm
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Guess with Z having been about e.g. 22 years of age at that time, his knowledge about car stuff wasn’t the very best..at that age I could have made such a statement easily, especially after senselessly ripping off some wires, too.

What I wonder more is how he may have opened the car to get to the motor..was it possibly easier at such older models?

QT

Concerning Zodiac’s age:

In Oct 1969 police belived that Zodiac was 35-45 years old.
That is the age provided by LE on the Oct 18, 1969 amended Zodiac Killer wanted poster, based on several witnesses, among them two police officers.

That would make his year of birth somwhat between 1924 and 1934.
So according to LE, in 1966, he would have been between 32 and 42 years old.

Hartnell & Slaight described Zodiac’s voice as "early 20’s" and like that of a "student".
If he was in his early 20’s at Berryessa, then he was about 19 at the time of the Bates murder,and that lines up well if Zodiac killed Bates,and is the right age for her to have known him. Also, don’t forget that in Graysmith’s book, he claims that in Santa Rosa, a couple days before the Johns incident, a man from Vallejo,in his early 20’s, was pulled over by police after he tried to signal female motorists to pull over.

I think it’s foolish if we only go by the age description on the sketch. The kids seen him at night, from across the street, and Fouke’s story has changed over the years, and I am not sure entirely trust him. I think we should be looking for a guy in his early 20’s up to his 40’s.

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Posted : September 23, 2013 7:31 pm
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This subject was discussed at length (with Bentley too) our the old site. I will see if I can find the link.


…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep. L.A. Times, 1969

 
Posted : September 23, 2013 11:22 pm
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Just my opinion, but even with the distributor wires pulled, if Cheri Jo sat in the car trying to start it over and over wouldn’t the battery run down from the ignition being retried over and over? :?

When in doubt, don’t.

 
Posted : September 24, 2013 12:09 am
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"Bud" Kelly bought the dead battery idea: "She’d have stood on that starter ’til the battery went dead," were his words. Funny thing, though. Why didn’t someone besides Z come to Cheri’s rescue? Or at least showed up to give a hand?

 
Posted : September 24, 2013 6:41 am
Tahoe27
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"Bud" Kelly bought the dead battery idea: "She’d have stood on that starter ’til the battery went dead," were his words. Funny thing, though. Why didn’t someone besides Z come to Cheri’s rescue? Or at least showed up to give a hand?

I think someone besides Z did come to Cheri’s "rescue". ;)

Seriously though…no one else needed to show up. This guy was on-hand ready to lend his assistance. He knew her car wasn’t going to start and he’d be right there to lend a helping hand…her savior.


…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep. L.A. Times, 1969

 
Posted : September 24, 2013 7:07 am
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Iirc, it was a Sunday after 6 PM at the campus library with construction going on across the street. I seriously doubt there were many people around on that day at that time. If the Killer allowed a "couple" of minutes before leaving the library then there isn’t much leeway for anyone else offering help. Not impossible, but not probable, imo.

When in doubt, don’t.

 
Posted : September 24, 2013 7:34 am
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This subject was discussed at length (with Bentley too) our the old site. I will see if I can find the link.

I think it is this thread, which I’ve just imported from the old board:
http://www.zodiackillersite.com/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=968&p=8672

http://zodiackillerciphers.com

 
Posted : September 24, 2013 1:26 pm
doranchak
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Also: http://www.zodiackillersite.com/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=969&p=8676

http://zodiackillerciphers.com

 
Posted : September 24, 2013 1:30 pm
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