Theres been alot of talk over the years about the address book, and I think just about every name has been discussed. I cant remember all the details. A couple guys lived in San Fran pretty close to Washington & Cherry, as did one of her Female friends. For me, the most interesting name I found was Joe Mahar from Albany NY. When he was in the Navy in the mid to late 1950’s, and stationed in the bay area, he robbed a bar at gun point,and was presumably kicked out of the military and did some time. I think his Family owned a newspaper,or had Family working for a newspaper in Albany, NY. I wonder how and when Darlene met him,and why he was in her address book. I think he’s interesting since we can confirm he was not afraid to use a gun,and since he lived in ALbany where a possible Z letter was mailed from. I think on the old forum, we had a thread about the names in her address book.

Mike ignore my last PM. Think this is it now.

, Subject: Darlene’s Address Book. Sat Mar 06, 2010 9:39 am

You can view Darlenes address book at Zodiackiller.com.

Anyone mentioned in the address book that you would like to discuss use this thread, please remember not to reveal full names.

I had posted a little about looking over her address book and seeing that some adressess were made out using a plus sign instead of the word ‘and’ thus +. As in Janet + Bill C********. The Zodiac in his correspondences used the + sign a lot (but not all the time). I was wondering how many suspects or POI’s might have used this method, and do we see this anywhere else. Manson uses the + in this way for example.

Zamantha, Subject: Darlene’s Address Book. Fri Apr 16, 2010 1:57 am

I previously made this post on the ZodiacZee, but we have some new members here. So thought I’d re-post. One of my friends from Vallejo’s Older Sister was a friend of Darlene’s. She is also listed in Darlene’s address book. Imagine my friends surprise the first time she found Darlene’s address book on the internet…and started snooping…and there was her sister.
Her sister dappled in Witch Craft….. Not saying there is a connection…but…. you never know. Her sister also committee suicide. (I always wonder about some suicides, like were they really suicide??) There was also one other person in the address book that was friends with his person.
These were girls that were friends…and kinda grew up together….

Zamantha, Subject: Darlenes Address Book Sun May 02, 2010 2:41 am

A previously post made on the ZodiacZee site, on Darlene’s Address Book.
Zamantha
Post subject: Re: Was Darlene Into Witchcraft
PostPosted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 3:54 am

I can not say for sure that Darlene was involved in witch craft, but her friend in her address book was.

My old school friend from Vallejo told me her Z Story after hearing about my interest in the case. She sent me Darlene’s phone book page with her sister’s name and address. Now I’ve looked at those pages before but never made the connection since her sister was older. A few years ago my friend was reading some Internet information and her extract words were, imagine my surprise and sadness when I stumbled a pond that a few years ago.
Her sister had a book and did some of the "spells". She remember that she had a copper bowl and did some stuff with a circle of rock salt around her bed and something with desert turtles.
When her sister moved out of her Mom’s home she moved into another home in Vallejo with a friend named ________, who she thinks worked at Mare Island. She is pretty sure her Mom would remember her last name. Then she moved to San Rafael or Novato (Marin Co. CA) and thinks that is were she was living when Darlene was killed. She recalls her sister joining the Air Force. She also recalls her brother in law or her Mom said something about Darlene possibly hanging out with a wilder crowd.
Her sister committed suicide in the early 70’s, she was attending nursing school at the time. Since she was involved with witchcraft her grandmother thought that is what led to her suicide.
Three years ago my friend went to visit her brother in law and they talked about the Zodiac and what a sad time and what might of gone through her sister’s head when Darlene was killed. The next time she talks to her brother in law she will pin him down for more information ( I gave her a list) It is difficult to get him to talk about it sometimes, as it was the worst thing her family has ever gone through…as you can imagine.
Also there is another one of her sister’s friends listed in Darlene’s address book, she now lives out of the area.
After her sisters suicide my friend had her sister’s book on witch craft and was going to start practicing herself. But when she started getting really scared when her Grandmother said the witchcraft was responsible for her sister’s death, and of course her brother in law would think it was the devils work, so she threw the book away as she was so afreared.
Later my friend was brothered by a guy in Vallejo at the Restaurant she worked at in the early 70’s. I will make this post later this week in the Vallejo Vibe Thread.
I will be in contact again with my friend, so if there are any questions I should ask….please let me know.

sandy betts, Subject: Zams friend Sun May 02, 2010 3:22 am

Zamantha, we need to find out how she died ? Remember that nurse that I said I didn’t think she jumped off of the bridge near Martinez ? Well I still think that was a Z murder, now I just need to find out if she was the woman who lived in the blue house ? The Zodiac told a school teacher who lived in Martinez, that he was going to kill the lady in the blue house.

If your friends family won’t talk about what method the sister used to kill herself, we can get that info at the recorders office. The idea she was a nurse is of some concern. Find out where she worked. and the name of the restaurant that the other person worked at.
Darlene and myself, were bothered by a man who would watch us at the restaurant where we worked. That by its self isn’t much to believe that it was the Z in both cases , but when you add up all of the other things that this man has done to the both if us.

I don’t see how it could be two different people, from the same area and time ? Then you add K.Johns into the mix ,what are the odds of him being the driver who took her and her baby for the long ride, as well as the same man who Dee and I had bothering us ? It is black and white to me ,with out any gray areas. And this man is still alive !!!!

jay st, Subject: Re: Darlene’s Address Book. Tue Aug 16, 2011 9:44 pm

One thing I saw in Darlenes address book was the two Lutheran churches, one in Vallejo and the other in Napa. Both werent too far from the phone booths Z used.

, Subject: Re: Darlene’s Address Book. Wed Aug 17, 2011 5:08 pm

Sandy, as far as California goes, I think you will find that informaton that used to be public is not anymore because of a law Governor Arnie signed sometime during his tenure.
Recorder’s Offices are only allowed to give certain limited information now.
I don’t know what the details are, but I had a hard time trying to learn about a friend of mine who committed suicide at age 23 back in 1968. One can still purchase a copy of the death certificate, but no more information given out otherwise.

This practice may have been reversed. As far as I know, property ownership is still public information. In other states, death records are sealed, period.

bruce3, Subject: Re: Darlene’s Address Book. Thu Aug 25, 2011 7:20 pm

You can get autopsy reports from the Coroner’s office.

sandy betts, Subject: Re: Darlene’s Address Book. Sat Sep 10, 2011 12:20 am

You can get autopsy reports from the Coroner’s office.

Thanks Bruce3, I haven’t gone there yet, still getting death cert. with out any trouble. Arnie might have put a stop to getting birth cert. because of his own problems ?

morf13, Subject: Re: Darlene’s Address Book. Sun Mar 18, 2012 1:19 pm

Darlene’s address book seen here:
http://www.zodiackiller.com/DeeBook5.html
Contained the name ‘CLAUDIA’. Was this Claudia ever identified? Does anybody know her last name? The phone # for her had no area code and was a 234 phone#. I wonder if it can be determinded what bay area city used the prefix 234 back in 68-69? Also, I know its a longshot, but I also realized that Paul Stine’s wife was named CLAUDIA. Could this be her? I know that there was more than one Claudia in the bay area back then, but at the same time, its not a overly common first name for a woman. ‘IF’ this Claudia turned out to be Stine’s wife, that would be way too much to be a coincidence in my opinion. Anybody know more about this?

tahoe27, Subject: Re: Darlene’s Address Book. Sun Mar 18, 2012 2:29 pm

Darlene’s address book seen here:
http://www.zodiackiller.com/DeeBook5.html
Contained the name ‘CLAUDIA’. Was this Claudia ever identified? Does anybody know her last name? The phone # for her had no area code and was a 234 phone#. I wonder if it can be determinded what bay area city used the prefix 234 back in 68-69? Also, I know its a longshot, but I also realized that Paul Stine’s wife was named CLAUDIA. Could this be her? I know that there was more than one Claudia in the bay area back then, but at the same time, its not a overly common first name for a woman. ‘IF’ this Claudia turned out to be Stine’s wife, that would be way too much to be a coincidence in my opinion. Anybody know more about this?

Claudia’s phone number was associated with the town of "Ignacio" – North Bay. One of Darlene’s scribbles on that envelope (for photographs) was "icio".

I don’t think it was determined whether or not Claudia was Stine’s wife. I doubt it, but you never know.

morf13, Subject: Re: Darlene’s Address Book. Sun Mar 18, 2012 2:45 pm

Darlene’s address book seen here:
http://www.zodiackiller.com/DeeBook5.html
Contained the name ‘CLAUDIA’. Was this Claudia ever identified? Does anybody know her last name? The phone # for her had no area code and was a 234 phone#. I wonder if it can be determinded what bay area city used the prefix 234 back in 68-69? Also, I know its a longshot, but I also realized that Paul Stine’s wife was named CLAUDIA. Could this be her? I know that there was more than one Claudia in the bay area back then, but at the same time, its not a overly common first name for a woman. ‘IF’ this Claudia turned out to be Stine’s wife, that would be way too much to be a coincidence in my opinion. Anybody know more about this?

Claudia’s phone number was associated with the town of "Ignacio" – North Bay. One of Darlene’s scribbles on that envelope (for photographs) was "icio".

I don’t think it was determined whether or not Claudia was Stine’s wife. I doubt it, but you never know.

Wonder if we can turn up any records on Stine’s wife to see if she ever lived there?

tahoe27, Subject: Re: Darlene’s Address Book. Sun Mar 18, 2012 2:48 pm

Sure worth a try!

bayarea60s, Subject: Paul’s sister Mon Mar 19, 2012 4:51 am

I do believe I read that Paul’s sister lived in Vallejo at the time of Paul’s death…..

Quagmire, Subject: Re: Darlene’s Address Book. Mon Mar 19, 2012 7:56 am

Paul Stine’s brother Joe definitely lived in Vallejo and worked as a mechanic in a service station in Modesto close to the Kathleen Johns abduction site. All very interesting. :suspect:

morf13, Subject: Re: Darlene’s Address Book. Mon Mar 19, 2012 9:54 am

‘IF’ Claudia in Darlene’s book was Stine’s wife, there’s simply no way that could be a coincidence.

bayarea60s, Subject: Morf Mon Mar 19, 2012 8:08 pm

Morf….

On Claudia, that would be for sure. You would think that SFPD or VPD would have been all over that. If they missed that, no wonder Z walked. I’m sure they checked that one out.

morf13, Subject: Re: Darlene’s Address Book. Mon Mar 19, 2012 8:51 pm

Morf….

On Claudia, that would be for sure. You would think that SFPD or VPD would have been all over that. If they missed that, no wonder Z walked. I’m sure they checked that one out.

I wouldnt be so sure. They seem to have been working independently of one another. I dont think one department knew what the other was doing. I am sure with the help of people like THEFOREIGNER, and SEAGULL, we could verify some info or find some old records.

tahoe27, Subject: Re: Darlene’s Address Book. Mon Mar 19, 2012 9:07 pm

If I am not mistaken, it was looked into….I will check again.

morf13, Subject: Re: Darlene’s Address Book. Mon Mar 19, 2012 9:09 pm

If I am not mistaken, it was looked into….I will check again.

I am having trouble finding ANY verifiable records of Paul or Claudia(marriage,residences,etc). If somebody can di a background check on either of them, it could go back 40 years or so,may not be far enough, but it could give previous addresses, and we could see if they lived in the right area to match the phone# of Claudia. By the way, I found a CLAUDIA KAY STINE born in Solano county in 1948, but her birth name was Stine,not her married name.

morf13, Subject: Re: Darlene’s Address Book. Mon Mar 19, 2012 9:19 pm

If I am not mistaken, it was looked into….I will check again.

I am having trouble finding ANY verifiable records of Paul or Claudia(marriage,residences,etc). If somebody can di a background check on either of them, it could go back 40 years or so,may not be far enough, but it could give previous addresses, and we could see if they lived in the right area to match the phone# of Claudia. By the way, I found a CLAUDIA KAY STINE born in Solano county in 1948, but her birth name was Stine,not her married name.

Have a look here:
http://zodiackiller.21.forumer.com/a/po … 3&start=15
Way back in 2008, theforeigner wrote-
"But I´m STILL puzzled: No death records on Paul Stine whatsoever. I also searched on his SSN in "Social Security Death Index" NOTHING! The only record of Paul L/Lee Stine is his birth record: California Birth Index, 1905-1995 about Paul Lee Stine Name: Paul Lee Stine Birth Date: 18 Dec 1939 Gender: Male Mother’s Maiden Name: Busby Birth County: Tulare No adress records of Paul Stine No marriage records of Paul Stine No records, birth records, marriage records, adress records ect ect, of Claudia S Stine OR Claudia S Wescott Dosn´t any of you find this odd?"

Yes Foreigner, I DO find it odd
Foreigner & Seagull are the two best diggers of Family records I know, if they cant find anything, something is fishy! I think a good starting point would be to obtain an actual obituary for Stine, and start digging from there.

tahoe27, Subject: Re: Darlene’s Address Book. Mon Mar 19, 2012 10:35 pm

Pretty sure I found Claudia. I will PM you morf.

bentley, Subject: Re: Darlene’s Address Book. Tue Mar 20, 2012 12:40 am

Darlene’s address book seen here:
http://www.zodiackiller.com/DeeBook5.html
Contained the name ‘CLAUDIA’. Was this Claudia ever identified? Does anybody know her last name? The phone # for her had no area code and was a 234 phone#. I wonder if it can be determinded what bay area city used the prefix 234 back in 68-69? Also, I know its a longshot, but I also realized that Paul Stine’s wife was named CLAUDIA. Could this be her? I know that there was more than one Claudia in the bay area back then, but at the same time, its not a overly common first name for a woman. ‘IF’ this Claudia turned out to be Stine’s wife, that would be way too much to be a coincidence in my opinion. Anybody know more about this?

Claudia’s phone number was associated with the town of "Ignacio" – North Bay. One of Darlene’s scribbles on that envelope (for photographs) was "icio".

I don’t think it was determined whether or not Claudia was Stine’s wife. I doubt it, but you never know.

I’ve lived most of my life within 10 miles of Ignacio, including late ’60s, and I don’t recognize the 234 prefix. Could be, but I’d be surprised.

tahoe27, Subject: Re: Darlene’s Address Book. Tue Mar 20, 2012 12:56 am

The searches pull up Novato and Ignacio using the (415) area code…..which would have been the area code (most likely) back then. Can’t guarantee those searches of course!

bentley, Subject: Re: Darlene’s Address Book. Tue Mar 20, 2012 1:12 am

This website that came up when I searched 415 234 says Ignacio has a population of 247,289, which is off by about 240,000. 3 of the 4 cities it says are nearby are not. Something is goofy. Is this a cell phone prefix now maybe?

http://www.whycall.me/415-234.html

This one says its San Jose, which is not 415

http://www.who-called-you.com/415-234.html

morf13, Subject: Re: Darlene’s Address Book. Tue Mar 20, 2012 8:10 am

I can try the prefix in old CA newspapers and see if I find any Ads tha tmention a bay area city

bayarea60s, Subject: Telephone prefixes Tue Mar 20, 2012 11:44 am

I know 243, 238, and basically any 24X or 23X number would be a San Jose or Santa Clara prefix, but a different area code back then; (408) for Santa Clars/San Jose, (707) for Vallejo, (415) for SF.

tahoe27, Subject: Re: Darlene’s Address Book. Tue Mar 20, 2012 12:49 pm

I know back in ’70 most of the Bay Area was (415)…I know Clayton was.

Later they started adding all the new area codes. So, it was either (415) or (707). Since Darlene did not write an area code, I would guess Darlene shared the same area code as Claudia. What was Vallejo then?

morf13, Subject: Re: Darlene’s Address Book. Tue Mar 20, 2012 12:53 pm

I know back in ’70 most of the Bay Area was (415)…I know Clayton was.

Later they started adding all the new area codes. So, it was either (415) or (707). Since Darlene did not write an area code, I would guess Darlene shared the same area code as Claudia. What was Vallejo then?

Not sure about the area code,but the standard 3 number prefix was 642/643/644/648

Zamantha, Subject: Re: Darlene’s Address Book. Tue Mar 20, 2012 1:07 pm

Vallejo Phone Numbers

Old Phone Numbers were Midway MI
Then they turned to prefixes 642, 643, 644
Then 707 was the area code

tahoe27, Subject: Re: Darlene’s Address Book. Tue Mar 20, 2012 1:09 pm

I know back in ’70 most of the Bay Area was (415)…I know Clayton was.

Later they started adding all the new area codes. So, it was either (415) or (707). Since Darlene did not write an area code, I would guess Darlene shared the same area code as Claudia. What was Vallejo then?

Not sure about the area code,but the standard 3 number prefix was 642/643/644/648

For where? Vallejo?

In Clayton, we were (415) 672-XXXX

morf13, Subject: Re: Darlene’s Address Book. Tue Mar 20, 2012 1:12 pm

I know back in ’70 most of the Bay Area was (415)…I know Clayton was.

Later they started adding all the new area codes. So, it was either (415) or (707). Since Darlene did not write an area code, I would guess Darlene shared the same area code as Claudia. What was Vallejo then?

Not sure about the area code,but the standard 3 number prefix was 642/643/644/648

For where? Vallejo?

In Clayton, we were (415) 672-XXXX

Here is a page from the Vallejo area directory from the 68-70 era:

Zamantha, Subject: Re: Darlene’s Address Book. Tue Mar 20, 2012 1:43 pm

Vallejo Phone Numbers

Old Phone Numbers were Midway MI
Then they turned to prefixes 642, 643, 644
Then 707 was the area code

Thought I’d double ck with an older classmate, on my memory of The Vallejo Numbers.
Here is his reply:
As far as I can remember it was midway then 707 but it wouldn’t surprise me if it were 415 first. I think 707 still goes to the Oregon boarder, just maybe SF area was the boundary for 415 and Vallejo was always 707.

bentley, Subject: Re: Darlene’s Address Book. Tue Mar 20, 2012 2:18 pm

Marin County (the north side of the GG bridge) has always been 415, and the northern boundary. Sonoma County to the north (Petaluma, Santa Rosa) is 707

Harry Martin says Stine and Ferrin lived in a boarding house in SF in ’66, but it’s probably BS.

tahoe27, Subject: Re: Darlene’s Address Book. Tue Mar 20, 2012 3:21 pm

I don’t know how they figure out who gets what area code. lol

South Lake Tahoe is (530) and so is Redding, CA…where my Mom lives…a long way away! Yet, Sacramento remains (916).

Morf—does it show area codes somewhere in the front of your phone book? They used to show little maps w/counties and area codes. Might be going back to far.

morf13, Subject: Re: Darlene’s Address Book. Tue Mar 20, 2012 3:30 pm

I don’t know how they figure out who gets what area code. lol

South Lake Tahoe is (530) and so is Redding, CA…where my Mom lives…a long way away! Yet, Sacramento remains (916).

Morf—does it show area codes somewhere in the front of your phone book? They used to show little maps w/counties and area codes. Might be going back to far.

I dont have the front of it.

Quicktrader, Subject: Re: Darlene’s Address Book. Tue Mar 20, 2012 4:36 pm

Hi Morf13,

how many pages has the phonebook – is it possible to post/mail the full version (if less than 50-80pages)? Would like to quick-check on names that would match the my-name-is-cipher…have found only one real name matching the cipher until today, John 8v8r8tt Jr. from Bates’ high school.

QT

morf13, Subject: Re: Darlene’s Address Book. Tue Mar 20, 2012 4:42 pm

Hi Morf13,

how many pages has the phonebook – is it possible to post/mail the full version (if less than 50-80pages)? Would like to quick-check on names that would match the my-name-is-cipher…have found only one real name matching the cipher until today, John 8v8r8tt Jr. from Bates’ high school.

QT

I only have a handful of pages from the 68-70 books,dont think I have any ‘E’ listings. By the way,I like the way your suspect’s name fits into the MY NAME IS cipher. And I think the guy looks like the general description of Z….BUT…I have looked at multiple sources,and I see no evidence or records that show your POI ever lived in the SF bay area.

bayarea60s, Subject: Tahoe… Tue Mar 20, 2012 7:06 pm

Tahoe….

You lived in Clayton?

tahoe27, Subject: Re: Darlene’s Address Book. Wed Mar 21, 2012 12:29 am

Tahoe….

You lived in Clayton?

Yes. Grew up there. Left for Lake Tahoe when I was 21.

zodio, Subject: Re: Darlene’s Address Book. Sun Mar 25, 2012 6:39 pm

Can’t find it right now but the menu, napkin, matchbook? post for Mr. Eds or Terry’s should have the area code.

Quicktrader, Subject: Re: Darlene’s Address Book. Thu Apr 05, 2012 2:59 pm

Some interesting findings/thoughts in/about Darlene Ferrins phonebook:

– Lynn Cossette, Stateline – South Lake Tahoe? Would be very close to Sahara + Donna Lass’ place
– Eunice Malar (Mahar?), 1751 Central Avenue, Albany 5, NY, ZIP 12205 – Name almost unreadable ( http://www.zodiackiller.com/DeeBook6.html ), what is the ‘5’ about?
– Franks Coffee Shop, 10 Geary Street – Paul Stine picked up his murderer between Mason and Geary Street. And two years before Darlene was killed, Enadine Molina Martinez was shot in her back and found about 100 yds. away from Geary Road, Sunol Regional Park, Fremont. Another Geary entry in her book is named ‘Kaiser‘
– Joe Mahar, 6, Dresden Court, Albany, NY – Psychiatric / Hospital is easy to reach via Western Avenue, distance is about 5 miles straight on. The other Albany address is relatively close, distance about 2-3 miles, almost same direction + distance if seen from the hospital
– Jim Phillips – some discussion about him can be found here: http://zodiackillerfacts.com/Darlene%20 … Man%22.htm – even if
the guy on the picture is not Crabtree/Philipps, his watch could definitely be a Zodiac brand watch. Such Zodiac watches regularly had dark dials, also the wristband looks quite stylish to me, you may want to have a look at http://www.vintagezodiacs.com/gallery/NeverWere.php in the ‘never were section’. To me they ‘were’ at least most of them, especially picture No. 29 could be a nice match (color/metal housing, black dial, centrally domed wristband).
– D….. / Rust, Travis A.F.B. – military connection,

Final comment on the last page:

Z Doktor, 100 – 23d Richmond, a Z-Doktor? There indeed is such an address, perfectly where I´d expect Z (Mount Diablo/Vallejo/SF/Stockton etc.).
http://www.zodiackiller.com/DeeBook18.html

http://maps.google.de/maps?q=100-23d+ri … CCYQ8gEwAA

QT
*watchinginZhomeviagoogleearthhewatchesthesimpsons*

tahoe27, Subject: Re: Darlene’s Address Book. Thu Apr 05, 2012 3:08 pm

Some interesting findings/thoughts in/about Darlene Ferrins phonebook:

– Lynn Cossette, Stateline – South Lake Tahoe? Would be very close to Sahara + Donna Lass’ place

I mentioned this to Jim Crabtree (can’t remember if it was public or private), but he said the name did sound familiar. He and Darlene did live there briefly.

I also asked Donna Lass’ friend who was to meet her that night if she recognized the name Lynn Cossette–just in case. She did not.

onewhoknows, Subject: Re: Darlene’s Address Book. Thu Apr 05, 2012 4:26 pm

The Z doctor was/is a car repair shop 240Z 280Z in Richmond.
She also, has the number for Mt Shasta Ski Resort… where my suspect took me
for a weekend date in the brief period we dated, before marriage. He had
skied there many times. We stayed at his parent’s
mobile home at the Lake.

Quicktrader, Subject: Re: Darlene’s Address Book. Thu Apr 05, 2012 5:31 pm

Thanks for the info with the Z doctor car repair shop..already had horror phantasies about a nutty navy doctor like Doctor Doolittle. Also jumped into my eyes when I read Mt. Shasta…how did you know about the Z doctor car repair? From your POI?

QT

tahoe27, Subject: Re: Darlene’s Address Book. Thu Apr 05, 2012 6:19 pm

What I find interesting is there are several ski resorts listed in her phone book, not in her handwriting. Family says she didn’t ski, although Jim did say they went (cross-country?) skiing with some Doctor who later died–maybe even in a skiing accident. Not 100%–going by memory.

Here is a list of the ski resorts:

Alpine Meadows
Mt. Shasta Ski Bowl
Slide Mtn. Ski Bowl
Sugarbowl

and a number to check highway conditions.

Who wrote those entries??

onewhoknows, Subject: Re: Darlene’s Address Book. Thu Apr 05, 2012 7:28 pm

Yes very interesting all those ski entries, I just assumed she was into skiing like alot
of kids in Cali. It takes a few hours to get to the snow from the Bay Area, so many
youngsters take it up, ( depending on finances, it’s not the cheapest past time)

The Z docktor in Richmond is well known to anyone who lived in the area as I did
for 25 years. My suspect grew up and spent his whole life in the East Bay, El Sobrante
bordering Richmond, and Pinole, which borders El Sobrante, a short drive to Vallejo,
San Francisco, Modesto, and Santa Rosa. Lake Berryessa is further, but we went there
often, and Napa (phone booth) is on the way home to El Sobrante from Lake Berryessa.

morf13, Subject: Re: Darlene’s Address Book. Fri May 04, 2012 10:10 pm

BUMPED…..

Oh, and lest we forget, there is a guy named JOSEPH MAHAR from Albany, NY in Darlene’s address book who had been in the military and was stationed in the SF bay area (before the z murders). He was arrested for attacking/robbing people at gunpoint at a bar in the SF area back in the 1950’s. This guy is dead, so I am not afraid to throw his name or photo out there. Certainly, being an Albany resident, this guy could have sent a Z letter in Albany.

onewhoknows, Subject: Re: Darlene’s Address Book. Sat May 05, 2012 2:27 pm

The Zodiac was not a thief. He took trinkets as momentos, (my opinion).

morf13, Subject: Re: Darlene’s Address Book. Sat May 05, 2012 2:38 pm

The Zodiac was not a thief. He took trinkets as momentos, (my opinion).

You never know what he was into during his life of crime. Maybe he started off robbing people. No way to really tell.

onewhoknows, Subject: Re: Darlene’s Address Book. Sat May 05, 2012 2:49 pm

Shades of Gary Gilmour Did you ever read the Executioner’s Song? Norman Mailer

Once, again IMO Zodiac was an Organized Missionary Thrill Killer

You can’t kill someone for "Being Bad" and then commit a Sin like stealing, make sense?
One of my suspect’s favorite sayings was, "Fu** Around…Lay Around." Think about it.

My suspect frequently claimed, "I am not a thief." Ironically, he would
likely be the one to GIVE YOU something, pay your way, leave a fat tip…

duckking2001, Subject: Re: Darlene’s Address Book. Sat May 05, 2012 3:01 pm

Interesting, isn’t there some unsolved hitchhiker murders in Half Moon Bay?

Sure robbery wasn’t part of his Zodiac MO, but I wouldn’t be surprised to find a "thrill" seeker having a past of robbery and/or peeping.

Any leads on where this guy was during the time? If he was in Albany he could have written the letter, but probably not the killer.

PS.OWN: You mean that Z was a "missionary" killer because of the LL couples thing? but what about Paul?

I think that victim blaming is just a cop out and don’t these guys who do that usually have a lot of rage in their attacks?

onewhoknows, Subject: Re: Darlene’s Address Book. Sat May 05, 2012 3:23 pm

I would NEVER blame the victims, I’m talking about Zodiac’s own screwed up thought processes.
My own opinion on Paul Stine is a possible homosexual incident, sorry. The kids across the street
say the saw Paul Stine with his head in Zodiac’s lap. Sorry, just my opinion based on what I know
about my own suspect. I agree about the Thrill killing observation, possible stunts early on. As little
boys, don’t they light fires?

Seagull, Subject: Re: Darlene’s Address Book. Sat May 05, 2012 3:31 pm

In a sense I do agree with ONE about the missionary killer. If Zodiac’s mission was to terrorize the maximum number of people in the Bay Area through murders and the letters then he did have an agenda. The combination of the murders and letters gave him a certain amount of control and validation, too.

duckking2001, Subject: Re: Darlene’s Address Book. Sat May 05, 2012 4:13 pm

I know that we are getting off topic, so I posted a response about "missionary" types in the Victimology thread http://zodiackillersite.forummotion.com/t1050p15-victomology#28146

PS. I’ve wondered that about fires too. It might be interesting to look for a series of arsons in Vallejo. Or in Riverside, perhaps.

Seagull, Subject: Re: Darlene’s Address Book. Sat May 05, 2012 4:29 pm

I know that we are getting off topic, so I posted a response about "missionary" types in the Victimology thread http://zodiackillersite.forummotion.com/t1050p15-victomology#28146

PS. I’ve wondered that about fires too. It might be interesting to look for a series of arsons in Vallejo. Or in Riverside, perhaps.

LOL you changed your post a bit duckking while I was creating a new thread about the type of serial killer Zodiac could be.

http://zodiackillersite.forummotion.com … diac#28147

Victimology and serial killer types are different so I think this forum can handle both threads.

zodio, Subject: Re: Darlene’s Address Book. Sat May 05, 2012 10:08 pm

One,
The "head in Z’s lap" was obviously around the time he was removing part of Paul’s shirt. Stine and probably Z were not homosexual.

tahoe27, Subject: Re: Darlene’s Address Book. Sun May 06, 2012 1:36 pm

One,
The "head in Z’s lap" was obviously around the time he was removing part of Paul’s shirt. Stine and probably Z were not homosexual.

Yah, Zodiac would have had him go to Polk.

Seagull, Subject: Re: Darlene’s Address Book. Sun May 06, 2012 1:42 pm

If that were true then the kids would have seen Zodiac shoot Paul after the act…..

zodio, Subject: Re: Darlene’s Address Book. Sun May 06, 2012 4:29 pm

Good one Tahoe, Polk or Castro. Of course if Stine did pick up Z on Geary they were only a couple blocks from the Tenderloin area also.

tahoe27, Subject: Re: Darlene’s Address Book. Thu Jul 05, 2012 2:10 pm

This website that came up when I searched 415 234 says Ignacio has a population of 247,289, which is off by about 240,000. 3 of the 4 cities it says are nearby are not. Something is goofy. Is this a cell phone prefix now maybe?

http://www.whycall.me/415-234.html

This one says its San Jose, which is not 415

http://www.who-called-you.com/415-234.html

I just got a call and the caller ID read "Ignacio, CA" (415) 251-XXXX- can’t help but think of the Zodiac case! lol

Zamantha, Subject: Re: Darlene’s Address Book. Thu Jul 05, 2012 2:47 pm

This website that came up when I searched 415 234 says Ignacio has a population of 247,289, which is off by about 240,000. 3 of the 4 cities it says are nearby are not. Something is goofy. Is this a cell phone prefix now maybe?

http://www.whycall.me/415-234.html

This one says its San Jose, which is not 415

http://www.who-called-you.com/415-234.html

I just got a call and the caller ID read "Ignacio, CA" (415) 251-XXXX- can’t help but think of the Zodiac case! lol

Yikes Tahoe, Well call them back & see what they wanted! Keep us posted if it’s anything good!

onewhoknows, Subject: Re: Darlene’s Address Book. Thu Jul 05, 2012 4:46 pm

Not sure what thr original question was but, back in the 1960’s 415 area code covered Contra Costa
County, it would later be changed to 510. pre fix 234 is a Richmond, CA area number, maybe El
Sobrante or El Cerrito, you now dial the same number just use 510. See what you get.

TimeCop, Subject: Thanks for the link Mon Aug 20, 2012 3:49 pm

I have been going over this and I think it is fishy. For one, Why on the last pages is there a 1981 date)scratched out and replaced with 1978 several places?
I think someone TAMPERED with evidence here: And the Z stuff on theose last pages, what the heck?
SOMETHING OUT OF PLACE HERE!

TimeCop, Subject: Re: Darlene’s Address Book. Mon Aug 20, 2012 3:52 pm

also, with my post above, i would like to Add that the 20110 letter, Claims of EVIDENCE TAMPERING was admitted in the letter

Seagull, Subject: Re: Darlene’s Address Book. Mon Aug 20, 2012 4:12 pm

RE: Address Book Tampering

I believe Tom Voigt obtained copies of the pages of Darlene’s address book from Robert Graysmith and Graysmith had made some notations on the pages. That is my understanding anyway, someone correct me if I’m wrong, please.

trainmaster, Subject: Re: Darlene’s Address Book. Tue Aug 21, 2012 3:22 am

I have the same understanding of the above post.

sandy betts, Subject: Re: Darlene’s Address Book. Wed Aug 22, 2012 2:29 am

RE: Address Book Tampering

I believe Tom Voigt obtained copies of the pages of Darlene’s address book from Robert Graysmith and Graysmith had made some notations on the pages. That is my understanding anyway, someone correct me if I’m wrong, please.

I believe you are correct, I am not sure about Graysmith making notations on it, that wouldn’t be a good thing to do ?
I asked Graysmith if I could see the missing pages ? He told me that they were very hard to see because they were in pencil, and he couldn’t make out any of the names on those pages. I would still like to give it a shot, if I can see part of a name and part of a address I think I could figure it out. The Zodiac’s name just might be in that book ? I did figure out who had a number she had written, as belonging to a female. It belonged to a guy not a girl, with a similar first name, it was a Richmond number .

sandy betts, Subject: Re: Darlene’s Address Book. Wed Aug 22, 2012 2:43 am

RE: Address Book Tampering
oops posted twice. .

sandy betts, Subject: Re: Darlene’s Address Book. Wed Aug 22, 2012 2:48 am

This website that came up when I searched 415 234 says Ignacio has a population of 247,289, which is off by about 240,000. 3 of the 4 cities it says are nearby are not. Something is goofy. Is this a cell phone prefix now maybe?

http://www.whycall.me/415-234.html

This one says its San Jose, which is not 415

http://www.who-called-you.com/415-234.html

I just got a call and the caller ID read "Ignacio, CA" (415) 251-XXXX- can’t help but think of the Zodiac case! lol

Yikes Tahoe, Well call them back & see what they wanted! Keep us posted if it’s anything good!

Most of the phones that I know from 415 are S.F. San Jose is 408. Strange calls on July 5th always bother me !

tracers, Subject: Re: Darlene’s Address Book. Mon Sep 03, 2012 12:35 pm

RE: Address Book Tampering

I believe Tom Voigt obtained copies of the pages of Darlene’s address book from Robert Graysmith and Graysmith had made some notations on the pages. That is my understanding anyway, someone correct me if I’m wrong, please.

Yes, Tom did get copies of the pages of the address book from Graysmith. From what I understand, when Graysmith made or obtained copies of all the pages in the address book, copies of certain pages were so light they were unreadable, and that’s why Tom doesn’t have all the pages.

sandy betts, Subject: 234 was Richmond Ca.prefix Mon Sep 03, 2012 1:47 pm

Darlene’s address book seen here:
http://www.zodiackiller.com/DeeBook5.html
Contained the name ‘CLAUDIA’. Was this Claudia ever identified? Does anybody know her last name? The phone # for her had no area code and was a 234 phone#. I wonder if it can be determinded what bay area city used the prefix 234 back in 68-69? Also, I know its a longshot, but I also realized that Paul Stine’s wife was named CLAUDIA. Could this be her? I know that there was more than one Claudia in the bay area back then, but at the same time, its not a overly common first name for a woman. ‘IF’ this Claudia turned out to be Stine’s wife, that would be way too much to be a coincidence in my opinion. Anybody know more about this?

Sorry I didn’t see this sooner Morf, I did a check on the name Claudia and that phone number as soon as I had a copy of Darlene’s address book. It was a Richmond number belonging to Claude Bowman ( I am writing this last name from memory, so I hope that spelling is correct ). As it turned out there was not anyone by the name Claudia at that residence that showed up. Claude had a wife but her name was not Claudia. Was Darlene disguising the real name for some reason ?

bayarea60s, Subject: Sandy Mon Sep 03, 2012 6:46 pm

Well Graysmith book came out in late 80’s….First time we saw Darlene’s address book…So that was 20 years after the fact, a very good chance someone else was using that # by then. Isn’t there a source where we can check out phone directory numbers from 1969, for say Richmond? But it is weird that the guys name was Claude, not a real common name, but as close as you can get to Claudia, other than the gender issue. Did you ask this Claude if he knew Darlene? Perhaps Darlene wrote Claude’s name that way to hide Him from someone else seeing it?

bayarea60s, Subject: The Name Bowman Mon Sep 03, 2012 6:58 pm

Sandy, that name Bowman is jumping out at me for some reason…Could just be my mind….Anyone think of any Z related name of Bowman?

morf13, Subject: Re: Darlene’s Address Book. Mon Sep 03, 2012 7:34 pm

Sandy, that name Bowman is jumping out at me for some reason…Could just be my mind….Anyone think of any Z related name of Bowman?

Maybe you are thinking of the guy that was first on scene at LHR, the newspaper reporter?

sandy betts, Subject: Re: Darlene’s Address Book. Mon Sep 03, 2012 9:23 pm

Well Graysmith book came out in late 80’s….First time we saw Darlene’s address book…So that was 20 years after the fact, a very good chance someone else was using that # by then. Isn’t there a source where we can check out phone directory numbers from 1969, for say Richmond? But it is weird that the guys name was Claude, not a real common name, but as close as you can get to Claudia, other than the gender issue. Did you ask this Claude if he knew Darlene? Perhaps Darlene wrote Claude’s name that way to hide Him from someone else seeing it?

You are underestimating me BA 60’s, ( Pat- Pat- Pat on my own back ) .I went to the old city directories for the late 60’s to get the name and number. That is what I do for all of the names in the address book, or to find out who was living at address’s near Darlene at the time she lived there. I also check to see if anyone moved right after she was killed.

I didn’t get in touch with Claude in case he was just another one of Darlene’s married boy friends. I did feel she was hiding something by using a name so close to a girls name. I even gave Lynn Cossette a thought to be someone else when I was looking for Larry Cane in State Line NV. ( spelling might be wrong on Lynn Cossette’s name ) She had a State line po box address.

sandy betts, Subject: Re: Darlene’s Address Book. Mon Sep 03, 2012 10:06 pm

Sandy, that name Bowman is jumping out at me for some reason…Could just be my mind….Anyone think of any Z related name of Bowman?

Maybe you are thinking of the guy that was first on scene at LHR, the newspaper reporter?

Are you thinking Thomas Balmer ? Then there was Pierre Bidou a Benicia Cop .

bayarea60s, Subject: Morf & Sandy Tue Sep 04, 2012 3:27 am

Morf…..

That LHR connection could be it….

Sandy….

You should know I would never underestimate you. I was going to bring up your library directory research in my message. That you probably already had checked back on the phone records. I recall you telling me how you and Zam do that at libraries. Sorry I should have just included it in my message. I think you call them Post Directories, or something like that?
So back to Claude vs. Claudia, so was Darlene hiding this guy from Dean? Was Dean tiring of all her male friends? Why would she hide Claude? I always thought it was open knowledge that Darlene was sort of a player. She was killed in the company, parked with a male friend…Different even for the 60’s.

bayarea60s, Subject: Sandy Tue Sep 04, 2012 3:29 am

Well Balmer doesn’t ring a bell, and definetely not Bidou. Who knows it could just be my mind……

morf13, Subject: Re: Darlene’s Address Book. Tue Sep 04, 2012 9:47 am

Well Balmer doesn’t ring a bell, and definetely not Bidou. Who knows it could just be my mind……

http://www.zodiackiller.com/FairfieldArticle2.html

Quicktrader, Subject: Frank’s Coffee Shop Sun Dec 02, 2012 6:00 pm

just realized that Dee had a Geary Street address in her address book: Frank’s Coffee Shop, 10 Geary Street, only four blocks away from where Paul Stine picked up his – murder.

http://www.zodiackiller.com/DeeBook7.html

QT

Seagull, Subject: Re: Darlene’s Address Book. Sun Dec 02, 2012 6:18 pm

Yes, that was her aunt and uncle’s coffee shop.

morf13, Subject: Re: Darlene’s Address Book. Sun Dec 02, 2012 9:09 pm

Interesting Seagull, I knew about That being in her book but didn’t know it was her aunt and uncles

bayarea60s, Subject: Seagull Mon Dec 03, 2012 1:37 am

I’d never heard that Frank’s Coffee Shop was a relation to Darlene. Good work there Seagull…..Are they still around?

In Darlene’s address book she has an entry for "Dave Pond – 455 Eddy St". (455 Eddy St was, and still is, and apartment block). In the very same building, just two floors away in appt. 1109 was a resident listed as one ‘L. Cane’. So, Darlene knew Dave (whoever he was), the question is, was the tenant ‘L. Cane’ ‘The’ L. Cane? Did Darlene get to know Cane through Dave P? It seems ‘Cane’ was actually his legal name as he died, was buried, and is commemorated as a War Hero under that Name.
Speculation, I know. But far too important to overlook and dismiss out of hand as ‘coincidence’ without knowing more about Dave P and L. Cane. Well, in my opinion anyway lol.

I’m not sure where you got your information but it’s a little off. The person who lived at 455 Eddy St, apt 1109 was Laurence CAVE. He is listed as being retired which indicates to me that he was older than Larry Cane would have been at the time.

There was a Laurence Cave who lived in the Bay Area and died in 1975 in San Mateo, just south of San Francisco. I would suggest that Cave is the same person who is listed in the 1969-70 San Francisco Polk’s Directory.

California, Death Index, 1940-1997 about Laurence V Cave
Name: Laurence V Cave
Social Security #: 549079033
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 11 Dec 1899
Birth Place: Iowa
Death Date: 13 Mar 1975
Death Place: San Mateo

Here is the listing in the Polk’s Directory-

And the link to look in the directory yourself.

http://archive.org/search.php?query=Pol … Aamericana

I am going to have to eat my words a little bit. I double checked the SF Polk Directories. The above screen capture is from the 1969-70 directory. I looked backwards and found that Laurence Cave lived in that apartment in 1967 and 1968 as well. But when I looked in the 1966 directory there was a "Cane, LC" living in that particular apartment. The 455 Eddy St. address did not exist in 1965.

It is possible that the "Cane, LC" was misinformation but maybe not. The way that the people compiled the directory was to knock on every door and ask the resident their name, etc. If the resident did not answer the door or refused to answer the canvassers questions then the neighbors would be asked about their neighbor. Neighbors did not always get the information correct.

Considering that Laurence Cave lived in that particular apartment the three years following 1966 and it is a very similar name to LC Cane I would tend to think that a neighbor gave the info to the canvasser but I can’t be absolutely sure of that.

I agree on one point, that being, L.C Cane & Lawrence Cave are probably one and the same person. However, I don’t think it is likely that they listed him as L.C Cane in the mid 60’s after a neighbour gave them what they thought was the tenants name, and then several years later realized that it was actually L Cave. I mean if the Census People, or whoever, wanted a tenants name so they could officially record it, then they wouldn’t likely go to a neighbour, they’d simply ask the tenants landlord. Would you give all your neighbours details to a stranger who shows up at your door? Neither would I.
In my opinion, assuming the tenant was ‘Lawrence Kane’ (as we know him best) then the most likey explanation, based on what we know of him and his use of different names and dob’s etc, is that he simply changed the name of the lease holder to another of his assumed identities for some reason that only he knows. That isn’t too far fetched an idea because we know that he went by ‘Kane’ while in S.F, Cane in S. Lake Tahoe, Klien in N.Y and so on. He has a history and habit of doing it

The Polk’s Directories were not official in the sense that they were generated by the government. They were meant for private enterprise, for businesses to use. The books were sold only to those who were in some sort business and not available to private citizens. They were a marketing tool. Mailing lists were created from them for instance. They did not have anything to do with census taking which is done by the government once every 10 years and not released to the public for 70 years after being taken.

Usually the Polk’s were published once a year but not always as evidenced by the fact that San Francisco’s 1969-1970 issue was the two years combined. The point was to establish the actual addresses of residences and businesses. Polk’s was not primarily concerned with the name of the person living at a particular address but that a particular address actually existed. So, yes, a neighbor would be asked about people living in close proximity to them.

It could be that Laurence Cave was not home in1966 and a neighbor gave the information as near as they knew it to the canvasser but in the subsequent year Mr. Cave was home and gave the corrected information.

I hope that helps.

There was a person listed in official records as being in the Bay Area named Laurence V Cave, he died in 1975 in San Mateo. He is also listed in various censuses first in Iowa where he was born and later in Santa Barbara County CA where he worked in a hotel.

In my opinion, assuming the tenant was ‘Lawrence Kane’ (as we know him best) then the most likey explanation, based on what we know of him and his use of different names and dob’s etc,

Sea’s Larry Cave died in ’75 San Mateo. Is this the same as Larry Kane? If so, then that’s a good match.

"assuming the tenant was ‘Lawrence Kane’ (as we know him best)"

Thats a very large assumption

"assuming the tenant was ‘Lawrence Kane’ (as we know him best)"

Thats a very large assumption

Yes but Morph you don’t quote the context in which I was saying that. I was replying to the claim that the two names were different, but may well have been the same person, and the reason for this was offered to be a neighbour giving someone incorrect details of a tenant living a few doors down. I was saying that if we are then to assume the L Cane & L Cave were the same person, then the more likely reason for the two names being similar but differing slightly would be that Kane was simply renting using two of his aliases. I by no means said "Well because one tenant is Cane, then the next Cave, this automatically means that Larry Kane is the occupant and is using aliases." I was merely making comment on a given scenario that the man probably was the same person, and the reason for his name being Cane then Cave was due to a neighbours error, I was saying that in that hypothetical scenario it would be just as likely, if not more likely, that it was Kane residing there and his using two Aliases was just as likely to be the reason for the slight name change.

If, on the other hand, it can be shown that back then it was commonplace to misspell a tenants name and there was almost one incorrectly named tenant in every apartment block, then I will gladly take back my comment.

In my opinion, assuming the tenant was ‘Lawrence Kane’ (as we know him best) then the most likey explanation, based on what we know of him and his use of different names and dob’s etc,

Sea’s Larry Cave died in ’75 San Mateo. Is this the same as Larry Kane? If so, then that’s a good match.

The Larry Kane/Cane that was the Zodiac suspect died in Nevada May 20, 2010. He was also known to use the name Klein, which I believe was his mother’s maiden name. He was never known to use the last name of Cave. And he probably couldn’t have died twice! The Laurence Cave at the Eddy St. address was born in 1899, which is about a 25 year age difference from what we know of Larry Kane/Cane.

What I find disturbing is the fact that pages for 10 letters in that Phonebook is MISSING!!!

This pages for this letters are missing:

B,I,L,N,Q,T,U,V,X,Y

WHY are they missing?

In my opinion, assuming the tenant was ‘Lawrence Kane’ (as we know him best) then the most likey explanation, based on what we know of him and his use of different names and dob’s etc,

Sea’s Larry Cave died in ’75 San Mateo. Is this the same as Larry Kane? If so, then that’s a good match.

The Larry Kane/Cane that was the Zodiac suspect died in Nevada May 20, 2010. He was also known to use the name Klein, which I believe was his mother’s maiden name. He was never known to use the last name of Cave. And he probably couldn’t have died twice! The Laurence Cave at the Eddy St. address was born in 1899, which is about a 25 year age difference from what we know of Larry Kane/Cane.

Your misunderstanding the context of the comment!! The context in which I stated that comment was in direct reference to the question of the name being incorrectly spelled in its listing by a neighbour who gave it incorrectly and I said that assuming (Assuming! Not claiming or stating anything as factual) that the Cave and Cane were the same tenant as the commenter had suggested in his/her reply, then I would think it more likely that Kane was the occupant using two aliases of Cave and Cane, given the alternative notion put forward to explain the name discrepancies. In short, I was stating that if, as the commenter suggested was the case and Cave & Cane were the same man and it came down to ‘neighbour gave the census people the wrong name of a bloke down the hall in an apartment, and it was realized later and changed from Cane to Cave, I would say there was more chance it was Kane using an Alias than that first explination being the correct one because census employees don’t knock Appt. 198 and ask the occupant to please provide the name, DOB, SS No etc of the man in Appt. 192. It was hypothetical and I though that was obvious