Donna lived with JoAnne and Carol. JoAnne told me Donna lived in the garage. When Carol got married, Donna moved to Tahoe and JoAnne got her own place in the marina, as their lease was up anyway.
TAHOOOOOOEEE! So back to business…what do you think? Coincidence? That it happened in same area in SF then he’s suspected of her in South Lake Tahoe?
Yes.
For example, if you don’t think Larry Kane was Zodiac, there is a coincidence. Heck, there isn’t even proof the Pines card referred to Donna. Just my take…
That’s true, and if you believe that the Halloween card is assigned to Donna, then that means the Pines card most certainly not.
What if Donna took the bus to the medical center on Sacramento St and walked the half mile to work from there (to save money and get a little exercise)? She would’ve cut right through the Julius Kahn Playground road towards the hospital…
Iron Will, are you familiar with Mike Rodelli’s suspect Mr X? At the time of both the Stine murder and Donna’s disappearance he was living at 3636 Jackson Street. This is halfway down the Jackson Street section between Spruce and Maple, on the exact route you suggest Donna may have taken to work. It is also quite likely that he used to walk his dog at night time and could have easily followed her without drawing suspicion.
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Much of the information on Donna and her friends comes from Harvey Hines’ 120 page police report, which unfortunately I am bound to keep from the public eye by its sender. Alex Lewis secured it and I respect his instruction on this matter. But the address of 4122 Balboa from what I understand originated from Harvey Hines, as did the information regarding Kane working for Alan Dorfman at the Sierra Tahoe Hotel. But like many, Harvey Hines was captured by the bug of chasing a suspect, so how much of the information he provided is embellishment or based in fact can only be speculated. But I’m guessing this address is likely correct.
Is the report available somewhere? The case won’t be solved by keeping back information (and it IS unsolved since a while..).
QT
*ZODIACHRONOLOGY*
I have read the entire 120-page report and there is nothing pertinent to solving the case. It is effectively a Graysmith version of Arthur Leigh Allen, by Harvey Hines on Lawrence Kane. The living relation of Harvey Hines made it available to Alex Lewis with the explicit caveat that it was not to be released onto the internet. I would love to release it, but I don’t believe in breaking the confidence and trust of people via email. Reneging from a promise is not ethical. Trust me Quicktrader, when I say this 120-page document won’t solve anything, I mean it. It is like Tom’s Harvey Hines report X 8.
Look at it this way. If you, Quicktrader emailed me some documents and notified me not to release them for whatever reason and I agreed, but then splashed them over the internet the next day, would you respect me and have any future dealings with me.
https://www.zodiacciphers.com/
“I simply cannot accept that there are, on every story, two equal and logical sides to an argument.” Edward R. Murrow.
Lol….that is the same thing I told Welsh Chappie when he didn’t feel confident I had Kane’s prints. He didn’t want to take my word for it. I get it, but hey…it led him to dig further.
“…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep.“ L.A. Times, 1969
Posted this elsewhere but the girl on the couch in this 1969 Presidio video at 3:42-43 looks a good bit like Donna Lass. Not sure if it means anything but it might. I’m not incredibly familiar with her, though. Opinions from those more familiar with her?
I met Harvey in person and felt he was telling the truth about everything he told me. I didn’t get the feeling that he was embellishing anything. I did have a problem with one picture he had that he said was Larry Kane, he was a clone in that picture to the guy I call Honcho. I told Harvey where to find K Johns and to give her the same picture line up he gave me. She picked out the very picture I did. I believed that was Larry Kane, until Kane died and my suspect who looked just like him was still walking around and pretty healthy at that!
Tahoe , you and I use to talk about Kane. Interesting that you also have Kane’s prints. Are they like the ones I have posted at Tom’s? The one when he was arrested for having the Black Box?
Welch Chappie wasn’t interested in the ones I had either? He has been my friend for many yrs now , yet not interested in those prints. Maybe he felt he didn’t need more?
Sorry we didn’t get to meet up when Ricardo and I went up to Lake Tahoe for the reunion get together at the old Sahara Hotel. I could have had another witness to the information I got from the Mayor and people who knew Donna Lass. It appears that that information has been disregarded recently. I just heard that Kane did not work there when Donna did , yet I was told by people who knew her and Kane , that he most certainly was working there at that time!
That is frustrating for me ,because that was the reason I drove all that way to find out the truth either way. I do think he is a good suspect for her disappearance, but I no longer believe Kane was Zodiac. I am glad that I met Harvey and saw a lot of what he had on Kane, I agree with Richard there was nothing that proved Kane was Zodiac.
Posted this elsewhere but the girl on the couch in this 1969 Presidio video at 3:42-43 looks a good bit like Donna Lass. Not sure if it means anything but it might. I’m not incredibly familiar with her, though. Opinions from those more familiar with her?
Thank you so much I really enjoyed watching that video! I didn’t see anyone that looked like Donna to me. There was a guy towards the end, that I thought looked a lot like the SFPD composite though!
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Tahoe , you and I use to talk about Kane. Interesting that you also have Kane’s prints. Are they like the ones I have posted at Tom’s? The one when he was arrested for having the Black Box?
Welch Chappie wasn’t interested in the ones I had either? He has been my friend for many yrs now , yet not interested in those prints. Maybe he felt he didn’t need more?
I got the prints I have of Kane, along with copies of the prints off Bryan’s car–the windows, from Harvey’s son.
I was quite grateful Hines was willing to share them with me, but I certainly didn’t feel privy to sharing them publicly. Welsh Chappie wasn’t confident in my word that I actually had possession of them. He researched for himself and got the same prints. Amazing what doubt can achieve. 
“…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep.“ L.A. Times, 1969
Kane’s prints have already been shared publicly.
I doubt the prints that you have were from Hartnell’s car door, if you check them you will see that both sets are Kane’s prints. Napa isn’t going to give a copy of what they have to just anyone. The prints they showed me were not square cut outs, those are Kane’s arrest prints! Didn’t some one do a over lay of the so called car door and Kane’s prints and say they were a match? If that were true case closed!
Watched "Very Scary People" last night, very disappointed in all of the misinformation!
Kane’s prints have already been shared publicly.
I doubt the prints that you have were from Hartnell’s car door, if you check them you will see that both sets are Kane’s prints. Napa isn’t going to give a copy of what they have to just anyone. The prints they showed me were not square cut outs, those are Kane’s arrest prints! Didn’t some one do a over lay of the so called car door and Kane’s prints and say they were a match? If that were true case closed!
Watched "Very Scary People" last night, very disappointed in all of the misinformation!
I watched it too…did I hear the lady being interviewed say that there were multiple shell casings recovered from the Stine murder scene?
Kane’s prints have already been shared publicly.
I doubt the prints that you have were from Hartnell’s car door, if you check them you will see that both sets are Kane’s prints. Napa isn’t going to give a copy of what they have to just anyone. The prints they showed me were not square cut outs, those are Kane’s arrest prints! Didn’t some one do a over lay of the so called car door and Kane’s prints and say they were a match? If that were true case closed!
Watched "Very Scary People" last night, very disappointed in all of the misinformation!
I got the prints years ago…before they were shared publicly. Both sets aren’t Kane’s. I see no match, but I don’t think they are Zodiac’s either.
“…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep.“ L.A. Times, 1969
Sandy,
if your POI was NOT Z, who would have been your favorite suspect? Not that I doubt but I’d like to know your opinion..also, have you meanwhile had a chance to ask your ex regarding the boxes and stuff (curious is the cat..), thx.
QT
*ZODIACHRONOLOGY*
Sandy,
if your POI was NOT Z, who would have been your favorite suspect? Not that I doubt but I’d like to know your opinion..also, have you meanwhile had a chance to ask your ex regarding the boxes and stuff (curious is the cat..), thx.
QT
My favorite suspect if I didn’t now better would be Darlene’s first husband. He had motive was in all of the places including Lake Tahoe where Zodiac struck. He knew how to write ciphers, he was short and stocky had light reddish brown hair, wore a crew cut at one time. Wares glasses has a high IQ. Went to the church of Satan in SF. Knew the Presidio because he was put in a stockade there at one time. He had a 22 , Darlene’s friends saw the gun. He was abusive to her , she said he beat her so badly that she had to go to the hospital three times. He was abandoned by his birth mother when he was born. That could cause him to dislike females? His adopted father was a CHP officer, his mother was a nurse. Zodiac didn’t like police or nurses. I do not believe he is Zodiac, but I do believe he knew the Zodiac and may have lived with him when he was living in Mexico. There was a connection to Mexico by the man who brought things from there to Darlene and that was where the killer at Lake Berryessa said he was headed. Darlene said she was being watched by the man she saw kill someone in the Virgin Islands, I am pretty sure that man was her killer and is Zodiac.( He was called Honcho)
I haven’t heard from my ex for about 5 months now, he said he was going through his boxes and when he finds mine he will let me know. I have pretty much given up on him ever really looking for my boxes. The Zodiac’s DNA will get him caught and it will be solved that way, hopefully very soon? I will be very surprised if the person they find is not the guy I call Honcho or his buddy RH. I have other things that were left with that costume, that could prove what he left belonged to at least two of his victims. One is a watch that I think was Cecelia’s and a small Bible that I believe was Cheri Jo’s. The three earrings could be in one of the boxes that my ex has. Other things from the car are at SFPD in the evidence room.
Kane’s prints have already been shared publicly.
I doubt the prints that you have were from Hartnell’s car door, if you check them you will see that both sets are Kane’s prints. Napa isn’t going to give a copy of what they have to just anyone. The prints they showed me were not square cut outs, those are Kane’s arrest prints! Didn’t some one do a over lay of the so called car door and Kane’s prints and say they were a match? If that were true case closed!
Watched "Very Scary People" last night, very disappointed in all of the misinformation!
I watched it too…did I hear the lady being interviewed say that there were multiple shell casings recovered from the Stine murder scene?
Yes Quicksilver, she did say many 9 mil casings were found on the ground at the Stine scene. She must have been confused about the 9 mil casings at Blue Rock Springs? Did you notice they had Zodiac walking west on Jackson St? I wonder which "expert" told them that ? They had Fouke going west which was correct, but Zodiac was walking east when they spotted him. Butterfield said he was last seen walking north on Cherry, he was last spotted on Jackson st , turning north on Maple is what I thought? Too many mistakes to count! I am sitting on the edge of my seat , waiting to hear the results of the DNA at VPD.
